2012 "Cost per Win"

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I find it to be quite interesting. Gives you an idea of the coaches salary relative to their victories they have this season. I certainly do not find it "worthless". Interesting, though.
 

I don't find it worthless.. It shows the outliers - ie Ferentz (that he was paid far too much for a coach who will have up years and down years) and Fitzgerald (someone paid probably too little were it not for his allegiance to the school as an alum). It also shows to me that big schools with lots of money can pay coaches more. Doesn't matter how much they win on a given season - they will be paid more simply because they are OSU or Michigan, and that having more money to pay for coaches does not guarantee success in football. Obviously I'd rather pay $4M and win 12 games than pay $2M and win 6 games, but it doesn't work that way.
 

It's nothing more than a fun talking point and truly leaves out huge swaths of information (how has the coach done over the lifetime of the contract? What is the level of competition? etc. etc.). But I still think it's kinda neat, particularly when you look at comparable schools (for instance, within the Big Ten).

Of course, wins are really the only thing that matters to the vast majority of people - the salary is of little consequence as long as the wins are coming - but in some cases (Ferentz) the salary considerations start to enter the fray.
 


An interesting twist would be to weigh the wins so that victory #12 is worth more than victory #1. Because I think we all can agree that even though Urban Meyer isn't the "best deal", an undefeated season is worth the money.
 

FreakyDeke said:
An interesting twist would be to weigh the wins so that victory #12 is worth more than victory #1. Because I think we all can agree that even though Urban Meyer isn't the "best deal", an undefeated season is worth the money.
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+1. Yes! That would be very interesting! More value per each win!
 

The coach with the best "value" per win was fired.

The coach who took his team to an undefeated season was the 4th most expensive per game won.
 

it would be interesting to see it by overall money spent on the football program per win.
 



westcoastgopher11 said:
The coach with the best "value" per win was fired.

The coach who took his team to an undefeated season was the 4th most expensive per game won.
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Darrell Hazell was not fired.

Edit: I see you mean Big Ten. Yeah, that's why it's very restricting overall (Hope was fired for repeated mediocre/poor performance - not because he went 6-6 this year).
 


Gopher07 said:
Of course, wins are really the only thing that matters to the vast majority of people - the salary is of little consequence as long as the wins are coming - but in some cases (Ferentz) the salary considerations start to enter the fray.
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This reminds me of all the "We're paying $2 million a year for this?" posts regarding Tubby last season on the basketball board, to which one could respond "So you'd be okay with these results as long as we paid less for them?"
 




A better stat would be cost of coach per dollar of football revenue
 





Rosemountian said:
I am saying you have to judge a coach like Kirk Ferentz on a lot more than just wins.
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I agree but he is a poster child for how out of hand salaries (and more importantly, buyouts) have become. He has had 3 mediocre to bad years in a row. Yes, he has also had wildly successful seasons at Iowa - recruited well and made BCS bowl games and even won some major bowl games. But Iowa is showing what happens when you spend as much as you do to keep a coach like Ferentz around.
 

RailBaronYarr said:
I agree but he is a poster child for how out of hand salaries (and more importantly, buyouts) have become. He has had 3 mediocre to bad years in a row. Yes, he has also had wildly successful seasons at Iowa - recruited well and made BCS bowl games and even won some major bowl games. But Iowa is showing what happens when you spend as much as you do to keep a coach like Ferentz around.
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He has been worth every penny for Iowa. He took them from the abyss that was the late 90s into being the clear number 5, (then 6 when Nebraska program in the conference). With 70k+ tickets sold every week.

Does anybody remember when Minnesota beat Iowa 49-7 less than 15 years ago?
 

Rosemountian said:
He has been worth every penny for Iowa. He took them from the abyss that was the late 90s into being the clear number 5, (then 6 when Nebraska program in the conference). With 70k+ tickets sold every week.

Does anybody remember when Minnesota beat Iowa 49-7 less than 15 years ago?
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I think he was worth what they paid him prior to the renegotiation which not only increased his base salary but extended the contract for so long that his buyout is now outrageously high.

I'd also hardly call the mid-to-late 90s an abyss for Iowa. The years 95-98 (Hayden Fry, another legendary coach at Iowa) had records of 8-4, 9-3, 7-5, 3-8. Other than a 3-8 season (only 1 win lower and same loss total as 2012) how are these seasons much different than a typical 5-year Ferentz run? Iowa's season ticket holders, rabid fans, etc are as much a product of Hayden Fry and previous success as Ferentz's. Can' attribute all that is Iowa football to Ferentz.

My point is that Iowa over-estimated Ferentz's desire to leave the program, and therefore over-reached on the spend for him when another system-guy (like Ferentz himself) could have stepped in and taken over with a good possibility of same success level (not hard to imagine given the past 3 years) at a much lower price tag.
 

Also, Hayden Fry averaged 4th place in the BT in his career, 3.7th place if you exclude his last 2 years.

Kirk Ferentz has averaged 5th place in the BT his career as HC, 4.25th place is you exclude his first 2 seasons.

I think it's unfair to say that Ferentz is the one who "established" Iowa as the ~5th best team in the BT. They already were that level on a consistent basis. (Even in Fry's last 8 years they averages "5.33th" place).
 

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