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I didn't include that as I'm not sure you get a free kick if there are zeros on the clock. He could've used two TOs to ensure time for a play after a punt, but then the risks that PJ worries about are more likely. Therefore, I didn't even include him using both TOs only 1. I agree. With a...

I'm not sure this has been brought up, but gutless PJ proof can be found right before half. Fleck had TOs and didn't use them with OSU having a 4th and 12 from their own 19. Use the TOs and force them to punt! Possible outcomes: 1. Block punt for TD--GOOD 2. Block punt for safety--GOOD 3...

Yep! 12 of yesterday's 22 starters would be on their last year of football (pre-covid rule). Youngest to oldest: 1 RS Freshman 4 RS Sophomores 2 Juniors 3 RS Juniors 4 Seniors 2 RS Seniors 4 5th year Seniors 2 6th year Seniors If that doesn't scream young, I don't know what does (sarcasm...smh!).

He will not be pardoned at Thxgiving.

I heard, it wasn't up to him.

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My guess....he tolerates Fleck, but isn't a fan and would rather be elsewhere.

I'd argue having a front row seat and an integral role at tOSU for so long and then doing what he did at Cincy proves plenty. You are correct, as a HC he hasn't proven anything at the B1G other than holding tOSU together through suspensions as the Interim HC to a 6-7 record and gong 2-3 against...

He is an actual X and O guy (was a coordinator), played at a blue chip, coached a considerable amount of time at a blue chip as an asst., and won as a HC at a higher level. I'd hardly say he's not a more proven coach than PJ.

Luke Fickell and what he'll do with Bucky!

They will be winless in the Big Ten. (sigh)

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'd just like to make it sound as accurate and bad as possible for the Hawks. They are 130 out of 131 in total offense. "one of the worst" is accurate but too kind for our rivals;)....and sadly, we still lost:mad:

2 Teams: 2 Total Passes, 2 Hour Game=Loss

Not to mention........a win CASHES THE OVER!!!!!!!!!

The longest losing streak to Iowa before our current 8 game slide was 5 games (it happened 4 times and most recently 2001-2205. Fleck has 6 in a row and no wins. I'm probs in the minority, but if I could only win 1 of the 2, I'd rather beat Iowa than Bucky.

You forgot about Milt Sundae

He's not "changing his best".

Yet, he cost the team not 1 but 2 bench, 15 yard penalties against Iowa in the past 2 contests or was it the 2 of the past 3?

Jeff Saturday

Apparently, using the poster's logic, Mo and company only had 1 big play and it came from inside .the 5.