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Oh, PJ does give a crap about everything kill says and does. PJ doesn't address it publicly because that would go against the image he sells. The truth lives where there are no cameras and reporters.

put down the koolaid and listen to yourself. reality is if you didn't play in the conf champ game...you didn't win your division or come in first. Saying we tied for first in the west makes us look ridiculous. you are twisting reality thinking we came in first. We may have had the same...

If you don't play in the conf champ game...you didn't come in first in your division.

kill/claeys best finish was 2nd in the west. PJ's best finish...2nd in the west. Not sure how that is better but ok.

because you were arguing earlier that players drafted after 2016 don't count. If we are talking about how many recruits per coach got drafted then it's factually accurate to give credit to Brew, Kill and PJ for who they recruited and then eventually got drafted. it's hysterical how you will...

Who recruited these guys? 2020 Antoine Winfield Jr. DB 2nd (45th) Tampa Bay Tyler Johnson WR 5th (161st) Tampa Bay Kamal Martin LB 5th (175th) Green Bay Carter Coughlin LB 7th (218th) New York Giants Chris Williamson DB 7th (247th) New York Giants 2019 Blake Cashman LB 5th...

If we are talking about recruiting, then who recruited Murray, Campbell, Cobb, Williams, Wilson, and Thompson?

I don't have the time nor the desire to debate the coaching careers of PJ and Kill. There are so many factors in both of their careers. If you want to debate that PJ is the best coach compared to Kill then be my guest. Probably the place you want to look at first was the state of the programs...

because recruiting rankings are just guesses. Results on the field and guys getting drafted is the only real way to determine how good a recruiter is. I agree that the data does not suggest that he is a bad recruiter but how can anyone say he is amazing. The results on the field and guys...

What are the old regime's 6 picks? Who recruited the other 6 players that were drafted after 2016?

Since I am data driven, I cannot understand the love for PJ's amazing recruiting when it's literally on par to the recruiting success of previous staff. I'm comparing PJ and staff to the previous staff because we were told that he was hired to increase the quality of recruiting. I don't see it...

Then we should continue to see it on the field but in a higher winning percentage if PJ is a great recruiter and now he has all of his recruits on the field since he is a better recruiter than the previous regime. Andries was already committed to the U before PJ was hired. Just sayin. Just...

I'm not debating coaching, I'm talking about recruiting. Are Ryan Day's recruits playing? I have no idea as I don't follow Ohio State enough to know what kids are playing and what year they are. It's not hard to understand that if a coach is winning or losing with someone else's recruits then...

Um...this is clearly not a "rule" and has nothing to do w/ players who left with eligibility remaining. It has everything to do with who found them, evaluated them, and recruited them to commit to the U. If you want to state any coach is an amazing recruiter then you have to look at the...

If you want to look at any coaches recruiting ability, then you must look at the years where only that coaches recruits played on the team. It's pretty basic stuff not sure how I could dumb it down further for you.

Well, this is a recruiting thread...if he didn't recruit those key players in the years you are speaking of, then how can he be the "best recruiter in the last 2-3 decades"? A lot of Kill and Co players got a 6th year due to Covid. This season will dictate how great of a recruiter PJ is, since...

Did PJ recruit all of those key players?

Thank you for proving my point. As soon as anyone makes a factual statement, there is no response.

I don't see how anybody on GH is thinking he was speaking about people in MN except for when a reporter asked him if he saw that he would be playing us next year. He responded that he didn't know until after he took the job and kinda smiled and said he would probably get boo'd. All of these...

No. I have never said PJ should be fired. Barry had 1 fluke year on year 6. Anyone can have a fluke year whether that is 5 wins or 11 wins.