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Most of those teams are in an easier conference. And most if not all have a lot more local talent. Many also spend more on coaching. NIL spending, who knows, but I’d be surprised if we have a significant advantage over very many P4 programs.

Irrelevant when discussing Fleck coached rosters.

Now do 2017 and see the complete void of talent at certain positions and how few talents we had in the junior and senior classes.

There were a lot more Jerry Kill recruits on Fleck’s worst team here.

Too soon.

I think I’m fair in saying they are unproven at this level. It’s not like they were all conference players at their previous schools either.

All depends on how the incoming guys pan out, but as far as proven production at this level, in vs out I give the transfer class a C+/B-, lost Perich and Ijeboi, brought in Bush, Aydan West, maybe throw Helms in there. Just these would seem like a negative grade, but the potential of the...

Yeah I’m the crazy one to think the NFL draft a few months after the title game is better indicator of talent on a championship team than high school recruit ratings from five years ago.

Who are you quoting?

Not sure he can really gain mobility at this point.

Not sure what you’re even talking about.

No one was arguing that. Whether it was widely known or not to begin the year has no bearing on how talented a team is. 2010 Auburn and 2000 Oklahoma were less talented championship teams, GT 1990, BYU 1984…

I’m not saying they had a top tier roster to start 2024 either, but they did in 2025. Not sure why you keep referencing incorrect predictions and inaccurate talent evaluations. I guess you’re saying those would have been accurate if not for Cig developing them?

Right, they have some here and there, but not nearly as many as ndsu.

You’re putting everything into what recruiting sites say. Sites that were built on evaluating high school recruits, not college transfers. You’re that positive that Indiana will have the fewest players drafted of any championship team? Not sure why you’re even judging their talent level based...

ISU never has had a lot of MN kids.

They won’t get very far if they keep that old recruiting strategy.

It wasn’t a rebuild since it was never really built in the first place. Program was fairly stable (scandal caused turmoil aside) at one level, and Fleck elevated that level, at least for the 2019 season.

It’s not perceived, it’s fact that you can change a roster much more quickly in the last 5 years. Yes everyone had that opportunity, but we aren’t comparing what they did to everyone else over the last five years, we are comparing it to the entire history.

It’s not a rip to put context to what they did. They obviously had a load of talent despite what the recruiting sites claimed. A bunch of them will be drafted. We can probably go back and time and find less talented teams that have won it all. It’s a great turnaround, but it was done by...