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Josh Allen was also a much more successful college QB than AR was.

People act like KOC is a god damn miracle worker. Richardson sucks and KOC can’t fix that. He didn’t fix Dobbs or Mullins. And that’s not the fault of KOC, those guys suck too.

He’s definitely not more athletic than Keenum.

Michigan is an awesome, vastly superior program to us in every way. And since according to bonin national titles are everything, I assume Michigan has won multiple titles in the 21st century. I won't look it up, but surely that must be the case.

Same thought I had. Doesn’t sound right.

All accurate, I guess my point is there are tons of borderline NFL QBs, which Brosmer is at this point, that lost plenty of games in college. It really doesn’t mean a lot.

P Look up how Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen’s teams did in college, and they are a little better than an undrafted borderline QB3.

Fascinating. I knew Cameron was a solid player in his day but I have not given him proper credit as a guy who amassed 46 career WAR. Very impressive career.

Dare I say that was Winfield-esque?

Maybe if things go well grandpa becomes a Maroon and Gold donor too.

Obviously a lot of the stuff we hear is hearsay, but Shedeur’s apparent lack of preparation for interviews and apparent aversion to film study is very Manziel-like. Also at least from my understanding Baker has always been a team-first guy who owns up to his screw ups. Sanders has thrown his...

Especially when it’s two guys with significantly higher talent on the field than Shedeur.

Yeah people think arm strength just means being able to throw 75 yard bombs but velocity matters a lot on timing patterns and not giving DBs time to close on a ball.

Weren't Johnson/Kessel/Wheeler/Okposo all the same class? I may be wrong, also that is pushing up against that 20 year mark.

Yeah, he did a good job with Kirk, but Kirk was well established by then anyway. No doubt Darnold blew away my expectations but showed his true colors those last couple of games. But if KOC turns JJ into a star I will definitely grant the title.

KOC wasn't a very good NFL QB.

They started phasing in commercials last year. But yes fair to assume it will only get worse. I hope if nothing else it's those commercials where they do the split screen deal and still have the games visible.

I think Bob Loblaw's answer to my question was pretty reasonable. By no means do I think JJ and Max are equivalent prospects, but I am a skeptic on JJ. I hope like hell he goes and proves me wrong.

Winfield Sr. didn't really lack athleticism, just size, but I would say your point remains either way.

Hard to disagree with any of those rankings. I see it as: Near-guaranteed losses: OSU, Oregon Definitely underdogs but winnable: Iowa Relative Toss Ups/Slight favorites: Nebraska, MSU, Wisc, Rutgers, Cal - I do think we win at least 3 of these and good shot at 4. Heavy Favorites: Buffalo...