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I’m not a huge fan of the black uniforms, but if they win, who cares.

How about we all agree they have better talent AND a better coach AND more NIL support. Combo of all three…

F Fair take. I’d agree it was a throw away season, but I’ll stick to my feeling that if MN had a great year it would not be nearly as discounted by fans.

Fair take and I am not taking anything away from that. It just seemed to me that you were saying that the whole picture does not paint an accurate portrayal of the program, that the last four years don't, but that the last 6 do? Regardless we can agree to mildly disagree. Both fans of the...

I'd say if the Gophers lose this one stick a fork in the season more or less. IF they got to 6-6 its going to be the worst B10 bowl and about 200 fans will be there. If they win then outlook is better - find a way to win against NW and Wisconsin and you're looking at another typical good, not...

Well I offered up his entire tenure here as an example. You said more or less it should not count because its not a recent, then I offered the last 4 years as a recent history. My point was people who have a total love for Fleck dismiss the poor seasons, but if in 2020 the Gophers went 5-2...

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lol. Did BJ catch Myron doing something illegal?

I think Taylor is the best player on the Gophers. Too bad he can’t stay healthy

That’s fine to cherry pick seasons. It’s like when people don’t count 2020. All the games count and you’re judged on your record. Just my opinion. If fleck was 11-2 in his first year here and won the b10 west everyone here would reference it. Since 2022 he’s .500 in B10.

Do redshirts even matter anymore with the open portal?

37-38 in B10?

lol at people still disrespecting Indiana’s last season and a half.

Only if he’s fired this year. Not a horrible move if they aren’t planning on firing him

Not nitpicking - but I would guess that USC and Illinois were more athletic than MN last season, and the execution was just better. Maybe I am remembering incorrectly...

No doubt. Well nowhere to go but up I guess!

Guarantee he cares more and has more invested than everyone on this board put together.

Fair. Kinda like trading shit for piss though… Mason was not here in 96 and was 12-20 from 1997-2000 in B10 and was 20-28 after…neither was a great run but better than Wacker for sure

Yes I’d take Iowas ceiling. 2 Citrus bowls a Outback bowl 2 music city bowls. Iowa is 24 games over .500 since 2017 Fleck is one game under .500 Those are B10 games

Kill was better than Brewster and Wacker for sure. I’d probably even take him over Mason. He would have been better in the 90s and early 2000’s I think due to his style. I think he’d struggle in the modern game and its new atmosphere. I think PJ works pretty well in it. Not perfect or...