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Using the term "woke" and claiming that Minneapolis is a decaying shit hole tells me all I need to know about you and shows what little you actually know about the U. Take your political ramblings to the off topic board,

1. I already pointed out a number of programs in major cities that have had success on the football field. The city vs. college town argument is unfounded and a cop out. It MAY have mattered once upon a time, but it's about money and facilities now. 2. Literally nearly ALL colleges are run by...

This is an absurdly stupid statement.

To be fair, one could also note that while those schools all have significantly higher highs than MN, they also have some pretty horrible lows as well. Washington and Colorado had some putrid teams in that stretch.

This. We complain about Fleck's not so exciting style, but Wisconsin tried something completely different from their usual and it's a total disaster.

And nothing the basketball team was involved in would have seen the light of day at most major programs.

Colorado, Washington and Georgia Tech have won nattys in my lifetime. The Gophers last one was 12 years before I was born. Washington was in the national title game a couple years ago. GT right now is undefeated and ranked 8th. Pitt has two conference titles in the last 20 years, and as...

We had a kid move to our very good MN suburban high school from Texas. I was in band with him. He didn't understand how we could have people in band that also played on the football team because there, you were required to march at games, and there would be 20,000 people there. I said that if...

I believe it. I wasn't saying the Gophers never paid players. Just that we've never paid to the level of big time schools. Imagine if Wooden would actually have come here. He was a master at hiding payments.

Massillion high school also has an indoor practice facility larger than the Cleveland Browns.

B and spend the extra money on assistants.

Explain Washington, Colorado and Pitt being significantly more successful than Minnesota then. How about TCU? Georgia Tech? At least USC and Miami have inherent weather advantages over almost any schools in the country. There may have been some merit to this position at one point. I agreed...

Where did I say anything about NIL? Big time programs have been paying players for years. We've never had that level of boosters and bag men.

This is a very interesting post over on another thread. Compares Minnesota high school football to other states about halfway down. https://gopherhole.com/boards/threads/this-is-a-fireable-offense.119923/post-3205830

Because we don't have enough money to pay them as big time programs do.

Need to make this a little more clear. Strong high school hockey is NOT a reason for Gopher football mediocrity. It IS a reason why high school football isn't as strong in this state as it is in some other states.

Yep. Same thing.

Could you elaborate? Is it the too many classes? The no-cut teams?

It exists in other states, but I'm not sure how popular it would be here. I mean, we do have 7 on 7 leagues, but for the most part, they're inconsistent and poorly run, at least from what I've seen. Hockey survives the way it does because there's huge money, organization and politics in the...

Obviously it was a bigger jump, but I'm friends with someone who was pretty close to the UST athletic department during the transition. Both his daughters were varsity athletes there and he was a booster. I can't recall the exact numbers, but he told me how much the volleyball budget alone had...