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I'd expect fees like this at schools that don't receive tens of millions of dollars in TV revenue and sometimes sell out a 50,000 seat stadium and who won't be paying $20 million per year to select athletes.

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At schools without big media deals, students pay quite a lot if not most of the athletic department bills. FCS University of South Dakota gets 60 some percent of its athletic department "revenue" from student fees. I'm not saying its right or wrong. In some respects, collegiate activities...

It's a curious comparison to refer to Leidner as a "street fighter" in comparison to Philip Nelson.

GCU has always been classified as a not for profit by the IRS. The Dept of Ed for a time and no doubt for political reasons classified GCU as for profit.

Neither Liberty or GCU are for profit institutions.

How about a statue for iconic MJ type figure, bust for NC winning coach or megadonor, relief carving for 3+ B1G championships, poster under plexiglass subject to fading in sun for 2 or less B1G championships and a back page progrum mention for 2nd place B1G west?

I don't get the affinity for statues of sport's figures. Maybe one iconic statue, like the MJ statute outside united center where there's no question who it is, from afar or up close. Is there a Gopher FB icon? Statues are otherwise overdone. Apparently getting a a big contract and sore...

Correction: Second highest ticket revenue outside FB and MBB. Says nothing about actual revenue/margins.

You're right that it isn't going anywhere but it runs a $4 million deficit, a number I assume will grow with presumably at least an additional scholarship and pay for play. Maybe it's a growing segment but it doesn't come close to making a profit, mirroring the WNBA. How is that issue resolved?

One of the biggest money sucks at the U.is women's basketball with about a $4 million per negative margin. Unless the barn starts seeing routine capacity crowds for women's hoops, that negative margin will only grow.

Because of Title IX, Men's non-revenue sports will bear the brunt of the budget shortfalls. They'll need to be privately financed or will get axed. The problem is that you would damn near need to cut all sports besides FB, MBB and MH to balance the budget and that won't sit well with some...

It could still be better. The allocation of revenue to FB should be higher and at least match the revenue attributable to FB.

Should I be? I'm told that this is as good as its been in 50 years by folks like you and that this is as good as it gets and shouldn't expect more, to which I unfortunately agree.

No, but I'd take their success during my lifetime over the success of our program..

I agree with most of this although I would note that it's hard to compare to some extent considering the lack of institutional support for several decades. I think the support now is still lacking but it's better than where it was 30 years ago.

Your comparison actually supports my point. But Alvarez took a team that had 1 winning season (none in the Big 10) the entire decade prior and won a Big 10 championship and Rose Bowl in year 4. Fleck took a team that won 7 games the year before year "zero" and went backwards before ascending...

Sure, there's the year over year turnover that occurs. But the original premise is that this is a program that's changing or transforming, as if this is still year "zero." But the overall structure remains the same. This program is built out. What's different today from 2017 or 2019? No one...

Sorry Heather.

This isn't about other programs. This is about PJ'S Minnesota. The thread within the thread started with an assertion that PJ is "building" a program (and some other malarkey that we are a top 25 program and on the cusp of CFP contention). I maintain that in fact the program isn't building...