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atsgopher said:
The height argument is bogus. The other arguments are fine by themselves.

Seth Curry, Ja Morant, Jalen Brunson are all 6’2.

Another one is on Dejounte Murray

Last 3 years 78, 31, and 14 games. 123 total. 41 Average. And he has previous lost an entire season to injury. I like him, but I think you have to qualify him the way you do others.
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Curry is built sturdy and Brunson is built like a tank. That compensates for the lack of height. Ja had unicorn skills which compensated for his lack of height. Those skills are in decline because he's too small.

I didn't know about Murray.
 

GopherGrit said:
The Kansas City Wolves.

You just take Timber off the name, and move 7 hours south, into a market with an NBA-ready arena already in place. And they're then that much closer to Western rivals Denver, OKC, and Dallas.

I guess then Memphis would move to the East, unless as mentioned Portland moved to North Carolina.
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KC and Pittsburgh, to name two markets, have larger smsa's than OKC, SLC, NO, MEM and MWK. As you said, KC has a building. There are lots of places they can go if Lore and ARod don't get a deal to their liking here.

I'll be thrilled to be wrong but my guess is it starts a year or so from now with, "Our great Timberwolves and Lynx fans deserve a world class, state of the art arena..." In year two it's "We can't be competitive playing in TC." In year three it's ultimatum time.

Again, hope I'm wrong and stormy gets to mock and ridicule me all day long for ever doubting that Lore/ARod wouldn't leverage this market to get public financing for their asset.
 
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jamiche said:
KC and Pittsburgh, to name two markets, have larger smsa's than OKC, SLC, NO, MEM and MWK. As you said, KC has a building. There are lots of places they can go if Lore and ARod don't get a deal to their liking here.

I'll be thrilled to be wrong but my guess is it starts a year or so from now with, "Our great Timberwolves and Lynx fans deserve a world class, state of the art arena..." In year two it's "We can't be competitive playing in TC." In year three it's ultimatum time.

Again, hope I'm wrong and stormy gets to mock and ridicule me all day long for ever doubting that Lore/ARod wouldn't leverage this market to get public financing for their asset.
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Agree with everything you say here.

Only possible disagreement -- and I sure as hell am not going to go back into the argument you were having with WeatherGuy, so I don't know if you guys were actually arguing about this -- is that I don't think it's a bad thing in the slightest for public money to go into a public asset like an arena or stadium. I think if the Twin Cities wants to have a pro NBA team, then that absolutely is the buy in. And that we should agree to it.

Happy to just agree to disagree about that, I know everyone has heard every argument for both sides already and no minds will be changed.
 

GopherGrit said:
Agree with everything you say here.

Only possible disagreement -- and I sure as hell am not going to go back into the argument you were having with WeatherGuy, so I don't know if you guys were actually arguing about this -- is that I don't think it's a bad thing in the slightest for public money to go into a public asset like an arena or stadium. I think if the Twin Cities wants to have a pro NBA team, then that absolutely is the buy in. And that we should agree to it.

Happy to just agree to disagree about that, I know everyone has heard every argument for both sides already and no minds will be changed.
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I'm all in favor of public money, if that's what it takes to keep the team. 100%.

However, I don't think there will be much of an appetite to fund a new building. The argument against (beside the usual widows, orphans and school kids) is Lore and ARod bought the team for literally twenty cents on the dollar. Consequently, there should be plenty of capacity to privately fund an arena. It's hard to argue the point intellectually.

I also don't think the league is afraid of smaller, newer markets. While the NBA doesn't like teams moving the owners seem to allow it just often enough so existing markets take the threat of relocation seriously.
 

GopherGrit said:
...public money to go into a public asset like an arena or stadium. I think if the Twin Cities wants to have a pro NBA team, then that absolutely is the buy in.
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While I don't think the NBA would allow the team to relocate for a few reasons (great attendance, market size, Expansion Rights fees, etc), this is pretty much the discussion for me.

If you want a pro franchise as a state/city, the going rate is arena funding. If you're a Wolves fan, you're probably willing to accept a tax hike to keep them. If you could care less about the NBA, probably not.
 




Slim Tubby said:
While I don't think the NBA would allow the team to relocate for a few reasons (great attendance, market size, Expansion Rights fees, etc), this is pretty much the discussion for me.

If you want a pro franchise as a state/city, the going rate is arena funding. If you're a Wolves fan, you're probably willing to accept a tax hike to keep them. If you could care less about the NBA, probably not.
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Let it be Hennepin and Minnesota. New arena in Brooklyn Center, as has been discussed in other threads.
 

GopherGrit said:
The Kansas City Wolves.

You just take Timber off the name, and move 7 hours south, into a market with an NBA-ready arena already in place. And they're then that much closer to Western rivals Denver, OKC, and Dallas.

I guess then Memphis would move to the East, unless as mentioned Portland moved to North Carolina.
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The KC Arena, T-Mobile formerly Sprint opened it's doors in 2007. That's just "16 years" newer than Target Center.

I wonder how much of a life cycle it has left as it seems these days NHL/NBA teams are looking to replace them right at 30 years.

The bigger thing in my opinion is what other development opportunities would an NBA Owner have if they moved to KC? Maybe that's available in KC. I have no idea.

Wherever ARod/Lore locate the Wolves to play hoops it will be part of a much larger project, whether that's in Downtown Mpls, Eagan, Brooklyn Center, Blaine or some other city in North America is the question.
 



Ope3 said:
The KC Arena, T-Mobile formerly Sprint opened it's doors in 2007. That's just "16 years" newer than Target Center.

I wonder how much of a life cycle it has left as it seems these days NHL/NBA teams are looking to replace them right at 30 years.

The bigger thing in my opinion is what other development opportunities would an NBA Owner have if they moved to KC? Maybe that's available in KC. I have no idea.

Wherever ARod/Lore locate the Wolves to play hoops it will be part of a much larger project, whether that's in Downtown Mpls, Eagan, Brooklyn Center, Blaine or some other city in North America is the question.
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Making this up: KC might have strong excitement over pulling the NBA into the market, enough to approve a major overhaul/reno of T-Mobile arena to bring it up to modern, new NBA arena standards?

They built the dang thing without the promise of an NBA team, in the first place. (Unless perhaps it was sold to taxpayers as a "sure thing" if they build it .. no idea)
 

GopherGrit said:
Making this up: KC might have strong excitement over pulling the NBA into the market, enough to approve a major overhaul/reno of T-Mobile arena to bring it up to modern, new NBA arena standards?

They built the dang thing without the promise of an NBA team, in the first place. (Unless perhaps it was sold to taxpayers as a "sure thing" if they build it .. no idea)
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Yes, I am sure there would be a major renovation involved to the facility itself after 2 decades of use.

Even without the promise of an NBA/NHL team it was necessary for events like the Big 12 Tournaments, Rodeos, concerts, conventions and a Jayhawks game now and then. The previous facility, Kemper was way past it's expiration date.

It also revitalized that Downtown area. How much that would be left for a prospective NBA owner to get a cut of would be the bigger question.
 






Ope3 said:
The KC Arena, T-Mobile formerly Sprint opened it's doors in 2007. That's just "16 years" newer than Target Center.

I wonder how much of a life cycle it has left as it seems these days NHL/NBA teams are looking to replace them right at 30 years.

The bigger thing in my opinion is what other development opportunities would an NBA Owner have if they moved to KC? Maybe that's available in KC. I have no idea.

Wherever ARod/Lore locate the Wolves to play hoops it will be part of a much larger project, whether that's in Downtown Mpls, Eagan, Brooklyn Center, Blaine or some other city in North America is the question.
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Lore supposedly is trying to develop some utopian city somewhere. Maybe he'll move the team there.;)
 

If the goal is to take the next step and get over the hump, the wolves need another PG, Ayo a nice start, but with DD probably being out the rest of the year, could use a Tyus Jones type on the roster as well. I think all things considered our fight was admirable, but ultimately no DD, any was 20 percent at best in that series, Ayo and Bones weren't really healthy either, I think the team that team ran out of gas. Some of it we need to stay healthy, but Ant can be the main ball handler the deeper we get into the playoffs, it's fine against weak to mediocre teams in December and January, Conley was perfect until he lost a step, just need a guy who looks to get everyone there's and not necessarily their own
 

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