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Bob_Loblaw said:
I couldn't disagree more.

Sure, we're more experienced than them but that does very little to overcome the gulf in terms of talent.
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Where's the gulf of talent? The Wolves were in the WCF two years ago and the Spurs won 22 games. They are likely a play in team at best without Wemby this season. They basically had the same core last season, added Harper, changed coaches and went from 34 to 60 wins.

When OKC is officiated fairly compared to the rest of the league, they get beat. The Wolves were also ahead of them 2 years ago. Did the Spurs and the Thunder change their rosters that much the last two seasons? The answer is no.

The Wolves should have grown over the last two years and didn't. I don't think this years team is any less talented than the last two. Injuries did play a factor in the playoffs.

I think Finch is a good x's and o's guy, but he's a horrible game manager, and his players don't listen. He hasn't grown the team the last two years like the OKC and SA coaches have. That's the difference.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Where's the gulf of talent? The Wolves were in the WCF two years ago and the Spurs won 22 games. They are likely a play in team at best without Wemby this season. They basically had the same core last season, added Harper, changed coaches and went from 34 to 60 wins.

When OKC is officiated fairly compared to the rest of the league, they get beat. The Wolves were also ahead of them 2 years ago. Did the Spurs and the Thunder change their rosters that much the last two seasons? The answer is no.

The Wolves should have grown over the last two years and didn't. I don't think this years team is any less talented than the last two. Injuries did play a factor in the playoffs.

I think Finch is a good x's and o's guy, but he's a horrible game manager, and his players don't listen. He hasn't grown the team the last two years like the OKC and SA coaches have. That's the difference.
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All you have to do is open your eyes and you can see the talent gap. We have Ant and then a drop off compared to those teams.
 


GopherWeatherGuy said:
You never have your eyes open, and called the Wolves small which is ridiculous. When the wolves play D they beat both of those teams.

But OKC is sooo talented….



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are you suggesting we should just cheat better?
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
You never have your eyes open, and called the Wolves small which is ridiculous. When the wolves play D they beat both of those teams.

But OKC is sooo talented….



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So OKC and SA finished 15 and 13 wins ahead of us this year and both teams kicked out ass in the playoffs (when it matters) the last two seasons not because they are better but because OKC flops and Finch can’t coach?

And Dilly is “at least 6’3” and Ant is a pg.

Time for LASIK, stormy.
 


jamiche said:
All you have to do is open your eyes and you can see the talent gap. We have Ant and then a drop off compared to those teams.
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The GM openly acknowledges it, as does every talkin head, but not a virtual weathervane from
Podunk, SD🤦‍♂️
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
You never have your eyes open, and called the Wolves small which is ridiculous. When the wolves play D they beat both of those teams.

But OKC is sooo talented….



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They need to address this in the offseason and treat it the same as flagrant fouls - the BS will end abruptly.
 


jamiche said:
All you have to do is open your eyes and you can see the talent gap. We have Ant and then a drop off compared to those teams.
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IIRC, SKA and Williams, were both All-NBA and All-Defensive - tough to compete with that.
 



Both things are true. OKC and SAS have more talent, but if the Wolves play a clean game (and try on defense), they can hang with anyone. Most teams have to play a near perfect game to beat those two teams. The Wolves just have to be less careless and stupid than normal.
 


tikited said:
Both things are true. OKC and SAS have more talent, but if the Wolves play a clean game (and try on defense), they can hang with anyone. Most teams have to play a near perfect game to beat those two teams. The Wolves just have to be less careless and stupid than normal.
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The Wolves were in the WCF last year. SAS missed the playoffs and won 34 games.

The only change SAS made to their rotation this season was getting rid of Chris Paul and Jeremy Souchan, and replacing them with a rookie guard averaging ~12 points per game off the bench.

And now they are significantly more talented than us?
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
The Wolves were in the WCF last year. SAS missed the playoffs and won 34 games.

The only change SAS made to their rotation this season was getting rid of Chris Paul and Jeremy Souchan, and replacing them with a rookie guard averaging ~12 points per game off the bench.

And now they are significantly more talented than us?
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Wemby played 46 games in 24-25
 




GopherWeatherGuy said:
Ant was injured a good part of the 2nd half of the season and during the playoffs this year.
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oh i'm not disagreeing, just think that's a disingenuous argument to act like they're not different teams this year. Fox played 17 games for them last year as well.

Add to it that unsurprisingly young guys get better, can do more, learn the game better, and use their talent better, and it's I'd say yeah their talent has surpassed us. I don't think the Wolves have gotten worse, but they did lose NAW, which is a hit to the talent defensively (TJ and Ayo are a plus on offense comparatively with usage)
 

Of course, the spurs are significantly better than the wolves.

They play much better defense.

Are miles ahead at the center position, and are better at pg.

We were blown out of the water by them several times in the series.

What am I missing?
 

tikited said:
Both things are true. OKC and SAS have more talent, but if the Wolves play a clean game (and try on defense), they can hang with anyone. Most teams have to play a near perfect game to beat those two teams. The Wolves just have to be less careless and stupid than normal.
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The try on defense is the telling part of your post.
Being lazy on D, when you’re not as talented as the teams in front of you, and not caring about the regular season when you accomplished nothing speaks to the lack of commitment to excellence by the coach and the star player.

Big Perk said what is gonna separate Wemby from the other young bucks down the road is his fire/competitiveness and pettiness. He was stewing on the bench in Game 1, when SKA received the MVP pre tip, as he thought thst was his.

Ant and Finch ain’t killers, and you need a killer to bring thst out of Ant, otherwise he’s destined to be another Tracy McGrady - what a waste that will be.
Maybe a vet with a ring like Giannis or Kyrie could🤷‍♂️
 

kg21 said:
Of course, the spurs are significantly better than the wolves.

They play much better defense.

Are miles ahead at the center position, and are better at pg.

We were blown out of the water by them several times in the series.

What am I missing?
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Absolutely nothing
 

upnorthkid said:
oh i'm not disagreeing, just think that's a disingenuous argument to act like they're not different teams this year. Fox played 17 games for them last year as well.

Add to it that unsurprisingly young guys get better, can do more, learn the game better, and use their talent better, and it's I'd say yeah their talent has surpassed us. I don't think the Wolves have gotten worse, but they did lose NAW, which is a hit to the talent defensively (TJ and Ayo are a plus on offense comparatively with usage)
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I agree with most of this, but I do think we have gotten a little worse each of the last two seasons.
 


tikited said:
I agree with most of this, but I do think we have gotten a little worse each of the last two seasons.
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I think that’s also fair. We’ve lost defense, Rudy has gotten older, and we haven’t offset that with enough development from others
 

atsgopher said:
Don’t forget we have 2 trade exceptions one is roughly 12 mil and the other is 6-7 mil… pun intended.
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So.... Randle, the 6ish exception and the 28th pick for Kyrie and the 30th pick. See if Dallas laughs or not.
 

tikited said:
So.... Randle, the 6ish exception and the 28th pick for Kyrie and the 30th pick. See if Dallas laughs or not.
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Dallas starting over, they dont need a distressed, volatile asset in randle. Teams like Miami, Houston, or the Suns are the types i could see being desperate enough to take on randle
 

JimmyJamesMD said:
Dallas starting over, they dont need a distressed, volatile asset in randle. Teams like Miami, Houston, or the Suns are the types i could see being desperate enough to take on randle
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How many teams besides the Wolves are interested in Kyrie?
 


upnorthkid said:
oh i'm not disagreeing, just think that's a disingenuous argument to act like they're not different teams this year. Fox played 17 games for them last year as well.

Add to it that unsurprisingly young guys get better, can do more, learn the game better, and use their talent better, and it's I'd say yeah their talent has surpassed us. I don't think the Wolves have gotten worse, but they did lose NAW, which is a hit to the talent defensively (TJ and Ayo are a plus on offense comparatively with usage)
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Wemby only started 9 more games this year than last and they limited his minutes more this year. Yes Fox played mostly a full season, but like I said they subtracted one starter and a main bench player from last year. It's not a very different team.

Young guys do get better, except seemingly on the Wolves. OKC and SAS have developed their young players and MN has failed. That's on the coaching staff.

The only difference between SAS, OKC, and MN is that SAS and OKC bring the energy and effort every single night, especially on D. The Wolves don't. It's not a talent issue.

That is the #1 sign there is a coaching issue. Name one championship winning coach that has ever allowed that? It's exactly why Finch will never win a title as a HC with the Wolves or any other team.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Wemby only started 9 more games this year than last and they limited his minutes more this year. Yes Fox played mostly a full season, but like I said they subtracted one starter and a main bench player from last year. It's not a very different team.

Young guys do get better, except seemingly on the Wolves. OKC and SAS have developed their young players and MN has failed. That's on the coaching staff.

The only difference between SAS, OKC, and MN is that SAS and OKC bring the energy and effort every single night, especially on D. The Wolves don't. It's not a talent issue.

That is the #1 sign there is a coaching issue. Name one championship winning coach that has ever allowed that? It's exactly why Finch will never win a title as a HC with the Wolves or any other team.
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Their young guys are Wemby, Castle, Harper and Bryant. Our young guys are Dilly (gone), Berenger, TSJ and Zikarsky. Teeny tiny advantage Spurs.

This season the Spurs added Fox, Harper, more Wemby and Bryant. The wolve added Ayo at the break.

Keep trying.
 

JimmyJamesMD said:
Dallas starting over, they dont need a distressed, volatile asset in randle. Teams like Miami, Houston, or the Suns are the types i could see being desperate enough to take on randle
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Miami sounds like they’re interested in Giannis and will be involved.
 

JimmyJamesMD said:
Dallas starting over, they dont need a distressed, volatile asset in randle. Teams like Miami, Houston, or the Suns are the types i could see being desperate enough to take on randle
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Thus would be Randle’s 5th team if he’s traded, tells you all you need to know about his legacy
 


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