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TRF Guy said:

Also North Stars were like 0/28
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Minneapolis Lakers were 4 of 11 in the NBA to help the cause.

I think it was a 10-12 franchise league back then.
 

Ope3 said:
You're welcome. I genuinely appreciate the acknowledgement.



Stable track record of non-success for the current Vikings Ownership group.

There is undoubtedly "better than that" for lots of fanbases across the NFL. Some even make it to Canton, OH.
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You're using your own personal definition "success" that few share.

The Vikings regular season winning percentage over the Wilfs ownership period says otherwise.

Should have been SB winners the 2009 season. Could have made the SB in 2017. Several franchises have done much worse.
 
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Here is the massive, foundational problem with this thread and those who support it and think like it:

trying to pretend that a drought of 20 years is 2x worse than a drought of 10 years, and that a drought of 30 years is 3x worse than a drought of 10 years.

FALSE.

Badness saturates at 10 years.


If you haven't been in 10 years .... then that's no less worse than not having gone in 20 or 30 years. There is no "extra" pain once you get past 10.

That's the core fallacy that everyone who gins up this thread is propagating.
 


AND SO, with the above truth established, I give you a worse market than MSP: Detroit.

They have all four major professional leagues. They're also a medium large metro, not huge, but not small. Also northern climate. Also with a strong local hockey history, both college and professional.


Tigers - last WS appearance in 2012, which they lost (last WS win: 1984)
Pistons - last NBA Finals appearance in 2004-05, which they lost (last win: 2003-04)
Red Wings - last Stanley Cup Final appearance in 2008-09, which they lost (last win: 2007-08)
Lions - have never gone to a Super Bowl


Lions objectively worse than Vikings in that sense, in spite of all progress they've made under Dan Campbell, zero SB to show for it.


I grant that the Pistons are #1 seed in the Eastern this playoffs ... but so what?? They need game 7 to take care of the Cavs, assuming that actually happens? They're done. They won't beat the Knicks.
 

Couple more that really aren't that much better.

PHX -- kings of the "lucky one-off seasons"

Diamondbacks -- if it weren't for their lucky one-off in 2023, losing the WS, then their only other appearance was their win in 2001
Suns -- if it weren't for their luck one-off in 2020-21, losing the Finals, then 1992-93 was their last appearance before that, also a loss
Coyotes -- made conf finals one time, never made it to Stanley, gave up and left the market
Cards -- since moving to Phx in 1988, they've made it to the SB one time in 2008 and lost


Chicago - "saved" by the Cubs

Blackhawks - won Stanley in 2014-15, pretty much nothing since then
Bulls - very little of note since Jordan left, which was last Finals appearance (and win) in 1997-98
Bears - lucky one-off SB appearance in 2006, which they lost, nothing before that until 1985
White Sox - lucky one-off WS appearance and win in 2005, nothing before that until 1959, really not much going on since 2005 either
Cubs - lucky one-off WS appearance and win in 2016, congrats
 

GopherGrit said:
AND SO, with the above truth established, I give you a worse market than MSP: Detroit.

They have all four major professional leagues. They're also a medium large metro, not huge, but not small. Also northern climate. Also with a strong local hockey history, both college and professional.


Tigers - last WS appearance in 2012, which they lost (last WS win: 1984)
Pistons - last NBA Finals appearance in 2004-05, which they lost (last win: 2003-04)
Red Wings - last Stanley Cup Final appearance in 2008-09, which they lost (last win: 2007-08)
Lions - have never gone to a Super Bowl


Lions objectively worse than Vikings in that sense, in spite of all progress they've made under Dan Campbell, zero SB to show for it.


I grant that the Pistons are #1 seed in the Eastern this playoffs ... but so what?? They need game 7 to take care of the Cavs, assuming that actually happens? They're done. They won't beat th
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GopherGrit said:
AND SO, with the above truth established, I give you a worse market than MSP: Detroit.

They have all four major professional leagues. They're also a medium large metro, not huge, but not small. Also northern climate. Also with a strong local hockey history, both college and professional.


Tigers - last WS appearance in 2012, which they lost (last WS win: 1984)
Pistons - last NBA Finals appearance in 2004-05, which they lost (last win: 2003-04)
Red Wings - last Stanley Cup Final appearance in 2008-09, which they lost (last win: 2007-08)
Lions - have never gone to a Super Bowl


Lions objectively worse than Vikings in that sense, in spite of all progress they've made under Dan Campbell, zero SB to show for it.


I grant that the Pistons are #1 seed in the Eastern this playoffs ... but so what?? They need game 7 to take care of the Cavs, assuming that actually happens? They're done. They won't beat the Knicks.
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Detroit worse than Minnesota? Terrible take

I would take Detroit’s “success” over Minnesota in a heartbeat. They have won a title in my lifetime.

Detroit also has the University of Michigan which has now won a basketball and football title just within the last 2 years.
 

DinkyTownIsDead said:
Detroit worse than Minnesota? Terrible take

I would take Detroit’s “success” over Minnesota in a heartbeat. They have won a title in my lifetime.

Detroit also has the University of Michigan which has now won a basketball and football title just within the last 2 years.
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Bingo
 



GopherGrit said:
You're using your own personal definition "success" that few share.

The Vikings regular season winning percentage over the Wilfs ownership period says otherwise.

Should have been SB winners the 2009 season. Could have made the SB in 2017. Several franchises have done much worse.
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Should haves and could haves count for Jack Squat.

It's either "Do" or "Do Not".
 

GopherGrit said:
Here is the massive, foundational problem with this thread and those who support it and think like it:

trying to pretend that a drought of 20 years is 2x worse than a drought of 10 years, and that a drought of 30 years is 3x worse than a drought of 10 years.

FALSE.

Badness saturates at 10 years.


If you haven't been in 10 years .... then that's no less worse than not having gone in 20 or 30 years. There is no "extra" pain once you get past 10.

That's the core fallacy that everyone who gins up this thread is propagating.
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The is the Title of the Thread too ambiguous for ya?
 


DinkyTownIsDead said:
Detroit worse than Minnesota? Terrible take

I would take Detroit’s “success” over Minnesota in a heartbeat. They have won a title in my lifetime.

Detroit also has the University of Michigan which has now won a basketball and football title just within the last 2 years.
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You were born after 1991? I guess that's possible, but tough for me to believe because younger people don't use message boards. That's an older person thing.

Anyway, it's not difficult to do an objective, head to head comparison:

MLB - Twins: no WS appearance in the last 10+ years, Tigers: no WS appearance in the last 10+ years
NHL - Wild: no SC appearance in the last 10+ years, Red Wings: no SC appearance in the last 10+ years
NBA - Twolves: no NBAF appearance in the last 10+ years, Pistons: no NBAF appearance in the last 10+ years
NFL - Vikings: no SB appearance in the last 10+ years, Lions: no SB appearance in the last 10+ years

Since NFL is the most important league by far, that is the tie-breaker and the Vikings are objectively better than the Lions. Done, MSP > Detroit


College cannot be used in this thread. Completely irrelevant
 



GopherGrit said:
Here is the massive, foundational problem with this thread and those who support it and think like it:

trying to pretend that a drought of 20 years is 2x worse than a drought of 10 years, and that a drought of 30 years is 3x worse than a drought of 10 years.

FALSE.

Badness saturates at 10 years.


If you haven't been in 10 years .... then that's no less worse than not having gone in 20 or 30 years. There is no "extra" pain once you get past 10.

That's the core fallacy that everyone who gins up this thread is propagating.
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One of the dumbest things I've heard all week. Sorry.
 


bonin21 said:
One of the dumbest things I've heard all week. Sorry.
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You must not get out much.

Maybe, but actually I'm probably exactly correct.

Life is not linear. Trees don't keep growing at a linear rate up into outer space. A piece of cake doesn't keep getting sweeter linearly as you dump more and more sugar into the batter and frosting.

Real life is non-linear. Pain saturates at 10 years of absence. 20 years isn't 2x worse. It's the same
 

GopherGrit said:
You must not get out much.

Maybe, but actually I'm probably exactly correct.

Life is not linear. Trees don't keep growing at a linear rate up into outer space. A piece of cake doesn't keep getting sweeter linearly as you dump more and more sugar into the batter and frosting.

Real life is non-linear. Pain saturates at 10 years of absence. 20 years isn't 2x worse. It's the same
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Pain isn't tied to the number of years. It's tied to moments. It doesn't saturate.

I was 2 years old in 1991 so didn't experience those.

In 1998, I cried over the Vikings. Two years later, they got their asses kicked about 41-0 and I didn't feel anything. Then Brett Favre 09 stung was more than 2000 but not like 1998.

Gopher hockey: 2014 broke my heart. But I had hope. But then the biggest choke in Gopher sports history happened in 2023 and I was completely shattered and a part of my fandom died that day.

My point is it's not linear but it doesn't just go away.
 

bonin21 said:
Pain isn't tied to the number of years. It's tied to moments. It doesn't saturate.

I was 2 years old in 1991 so didn't experience those.

In 1998, I cried over the Vikings. Two years later, they got their asses kicked about 41-0 and I didn't feel anything. Then Brett Favre 09 stung was more than 2000 but not like 1998.

Gopher hockey: 2014 broke my heart. But I had hope. But then the biggest choke in Gopher sports history happened in 2023 and I was completely shattered and a part of my fandom died that day.

My point is it's not linear but it doesn't just go away.
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How did you not just prove my point??

You just proved that as the time drags on, it matters less and less, not each year exactly the same (pain) as each additional year before it.
 

GopherGrit said:
How did you not just prove my point??

You just proved that as the time drags on, it matters less and less, not each year exactly the same (pain) as each additional year before it.
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I only care about Gopher hockey, but the idea can be applied.

2023 (21 years after the last title) was infinitely more painful than 2014, 2012, 2006, etc.

Every year without a title makes the overall pain worse.
 

bonin21 said:
I only care about Gopher hockey, but the idea can be applied.

2023 (21 years after the last title) was infinitely more painful than 2014, 2012, 2006, etc.

Every year without a title makes the overall pain worse.
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I disagree we're talking about the same thing.

You're referencing a specific game that ended badly. It would have felt just as badly to you even if they had won the natty in 2014.
 


bonin21 said:
No it wouldn't have.
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That you didn't feel almost the exact same pain after they lost to MSU the year before, proves I'm right. You should have been agonizing "ahhhh why!! It has been 20 years since the last title, noooo!!" but you just admitted you didn't.

So the years are irrelevant.

An OT loss in the natty game is just a very painful experience. So that's why that one was like that.
 

GopherGrit said:
You were born after 1991? I guess that's possible, but tough for me to believe because younger people don't use message boards. That's an older person thing.

Anyway, it's not difficult to do an objective, head to head comparison:

MLB - Twins: no WS appearance in the last 10+ years, Tigers: no WS appearance in the last 10+ years
NHL - Wild: no SC appearance in the last 10+ years, Red Wings: no SC appearance in the last 10+ years
NBA - Twolves: no NBAF appearance in the last 10+ years, Pistons: no NBAF appearance in the last 10+ years
NFL - Vikings: no SB appearance in the last 10+ years, Lions: no SB appearance in the last 10+ years

Since NFL is the most important league by far, that is the tie-breaker and the Vikings are objectively better than the Lions. Done, MSP > Detroit


College cannot be used in this thread. Completely irrelevant
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By your own metric of advancing in the NFL Playoffs in the past 10 seasons to the Final 8, the Lions and Vikings are tied. 2 apiece.

The Lions smoked the Vikings in the 2024 Season Finale to earn the NFC North Title and #1 Seed, something the Vikings have not done in the past 10 years or ever under the Wilfs regime.

Motown > Funkyrown.
 


Ope3 said:
By your own metric of advancing in the NFL Playoffs in the past 10 seasons to the Final 8, the Lions and Vikings are tied. 2 apiece.

The Lions smoked the Vikings in the 2024 Season Finale to earn the NFC North Title and #1 Seed, something the Vikings have not done in the past 10 years or ever under the Wilfs regime.

Motown > Funkyrown.
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2025 Vikings > 2025 Lions, last I checked

I have no doubt you'll try to wave your hands again, in some other odd way
 


bonin21 said:
I only care about Gopher hockey, but the idea can be applied.

2023 (21 years after the last title) was infinitely more painful than 2014, 2012, 2006, etc.

Every year without a title makes the overall pain worse.
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2023 wasn't nearly as painful as 1989, and it had only been 10 seasons since the Gophers had won a title at that point.

I guess the Snuggerud & Pitlick families can compare notes.
 


GopherGrit said:
2025 Vikings > 2025 Lions, last I checked

I have no doubt you'll try to wave your hands again, in some other odd way
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The whole discussion is beyond odd in this pillow fight of determining "superiority between the Lions &; Vikings" especially in the past 10 seasons.

Why would only 2025 count in a 10 season time frame of comparisons instead of last Play-off Win, last advancement to the NFC Divisional Round & last NFC Championship Game, all advantage Lions?

Neither even made the Post-Season in 2025 so they both were Losers. Detroit gets the benefit of playing the NFC North 4th Place schedule. Good one.
 

GopherGrit said:
That you didn't feel almost the exact same pain after they lost to MSU the year before, proves I'm right. You should have been agonizing "ahhhh why!! It has been 20 years since the last title, noooo!!" but you just admitted you didn't.
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Umm ask the people that have to deal with me on the hockey forum. I have been agonizing like that my entire adulthood.
 

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