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Yay, let’s add another mediocre to dog shit team in the conference rotation.
 

GooningGopher said:
Yay, let’s add another mediocre to dog shit team in the conference rotation.
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Honestly we are already in position where 10-2 is going to make the playoff 90% of the time

If there are new additions I hope they make 10-2 easier not harder
 




We just received $1.3 billion. Why would the B1G want to have another mouth at the feeding trough?
 


Jack jones said:
We just received $1.3 billion. Why would the B1G want to have another mouth at the feeding trough?
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You are correct in thinking that the pie would have to grow by a greater percentage than the number of pieces grow
 

Some guy said:
Yes
And Georgia tech too

+ 2 more to get to 24

The candidates beyond those 4 include (in order, probably)
Notre Dame
Miami
Arizona State
Duke
Colorado
Utah
Kansas
Stanford

Looking to add Markets, AAU, football in that order.


West:
USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Nebraska, Notre Dame

Midwest:
Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, northwestern, Iowa, Purdue

northeast:
Michigan, Michigan State, Rutgers, Indiana, Ohio State, Penn State

Southeast:
Florida state, Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Miami, Virginia

Schedule:
11 game schedule
Play 5 in your division, play an entire other division (plus Iowa Nebraska swap one opponent to preserve rivalry)
5 teams you play every year
Play all the league home and home in 6 years.
One buy game

24 works better than 28 for scheduling by a lot.


20 would be interesting and could have a similar scheduling model with 4 groups of 5:

Maryland, North Carolina, Florida State, Penn State, Rutgers

Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Indiana, Ohio State

Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois

Northwestern, Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLA

Play your 4 plus another group of 5. Northwestern and Illinois swap one game to preserve rivalry. Home and home against everyone is 6, still 3 non conference games.
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As to your 20 team expansion and scheduling, to me it seems like the following groups "need" to be together for rivalry/scheduling purposes:
1) Mich MSU OSU, IU PU Ill NW (Illinois and Purdue also have a strong rivalry), 2) MN Iowa Wisc Neb, and 3) the west (more so from practicality than because they want to play each other). So I would propose that instead of four divisions of five teams, do five divisions of four teams:
- Oregon, Wash, UCLA, USC
- MN, Wisc, Iowa, Neb
- Ill, NW, IU, PU
- Mich MSU OSU [ACC]
- PSU Maryland Rutgers Florida State

Play your division every year (3), play a full other division every year (4), play one team from the other three divisions (3), for 10 conf games.

This would just be a scheduling agreement. You wouldn't formally form up into five divisions and crown five division winners per year. I don't think that would make any sense.

Championship game, if it still gets held, is still just #1 vs #2 in some sense.
 
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Now if we're going full out expansion fantasy scenario (ie. expansion for the sake of expansion, for schitzngiggles): four "divisions" (really back to full conferences at this point) of eight teams:

- Oregon, Wash, UCLA, USC, +4 former Pac12 teams current in the Big 12
- Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Neb, Ill, NW, IU, PU
- Mich MSU OSU PSU Rutgers, +3 northern ACC teams (ideally including Notre Dame)
- Florida State, Miami, GT, Maryland, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, +1 more ACC

Play your division every year (7), play one team from the other three divisions (3), for 10 conf games.

Takes a long time to play every one. But so long as the regular season in college is capped at 12, I think major programs will want/need 7 home games for revenue plus coaches will want two warm-up/easier games, so I think conf games will be capped at 10.
 

Does adding Florida State and one more ACC team to the Big Ten actually push the conference distribution up to $90M - $100M per school? And would take that kind of increase for the 18 presidents to vote yes on adding two more? Or would it need to go to 24, 32, or what?

At some point, I have to think that the ROI for TV networks is diminishing, the more teams the major confs add and the more money they demand. Is Florida State versus ... Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, etc. a big enough boost to regular season inventory above the games the Big Ten already offers during the regular season to its TV partners, that they'd be willing to pay that much more for that, let's even say four more major ratings games per year?

I have no idea, just wondering aloud.
 

GopherGrit said:
Does adding Florida State and one more ACC team to the Big Ten actually push the conference distribution up to $90M - $100M per school? And would take that kind of increase for the 18 presidents to vote yes on adding two more? Or would it need to go to 24, 32, or what?

At some point, I have to think that the ROI for TV networks is diminishing, the more teams the major confs add and the more money they demand. Is Florida State versus ... Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, etc. a big enough boost to regular season inventory above the games the Big Ten already offers during the regular season to its TV partners, that they'd be willing to pay that much more for that, let's even say four more major ratings games per year?

I have no idea, just wondering aloud.
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Only one team meets this requirement...Notre Dame. If the Big Ten can get the SEC to blow up the ACC and take FSU and Clemson and throw it all into turmoil, the Big Ten can grab ND plus UNC, UVA & Stanford. 4 5 Team conferences with ND-Stanford a protected rivarly game.
 

GopherinFlorida said:
Only one team meets this requirement...Notre Dame. If the Big Ten can get the SEC to blow up the ACC and take FSU and Clemson and throw it all into turmoil, the Big Ten can grab ND plus UNC, UVA & Stanford. 4 5 Team conferences with ND-Stanford a protected rivarly game.
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There was a legal settlement between the ACC and Florida State which made leaving the ACC much, much easier and simpler.

All FSU has to do is pay the exit penalty and they can leave and retain their media rights.

The fee is $165M to leave for the 2026 season, and appears to go down about $18M per year for each year after that until settling at around $75M in 2030.
 



GopherGrit said:
As to your 20 team expansion and scheduling, to me it seems like the following groups "need" to be together for rivalry/scheduling purposes:
1) Mich MSU OSU, IU PU Ill NW (Illinois and Purdue also have a strong rivalry), 2) MN Iowa Wisc Neb, and 3) the west (more so from practicality than because they want to play each other). So I would propose that instead of four divisions of five teams, do five divisions of four teams:
- Oregon, Wash, UCLA, USC
- MN, Wisc, Iowa, Neb
- Ill, NW, IU, PU
- Mich MSU OSU [ACC]
- PSU Maryland Rutgers Florida State

Play your division every year (3), play a full other division every year (4), play one team from the other three divisions (3), for 10 conf games.

This would just be a scheduling agreement. You wouldn't formally form up into five divisions and crown five division winners per year. I don't think that would make any sense.

Championship game, if it still gets held, is still just #1 vs #2 in some sense.
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Correct. Unless the playoff structure changes, having multiple divisions doesn’t make any sense.
But basically you can create a more balanced and easy schedule to understand by pooling teams into groups, then pairing groups into “divisions”

But the divisions are essentially scheduling round robin groups…not actually divisions.

4 groups of 5 (20)
4 groups of 6 or 6 groups of 4 (24)
4 groups of 7 (28)
8 groups of 4 (32)
6 groups of 6 (36)

I think the next expansion is to 20 or 24. It it’s ever going to more than 24 it may as well just go to 32+
Essentially the big ten would be buying out the valuable assets remaining from the rest of college football.
The big ten media rights deal out pacing the SEC

There is a world where the big ten can pick off some SEC schools. But I don’t think we are in that world yet. Texas, A&M, Missouri, Florida, Vanderbilt are all schools that fit the academic profile of the big ten and may long term prefer to be affiliated with the high end academic institutions in a world where college sports goes full employment model.





As it currently is, I think best schedule set up with 18 is 3 groups of 6. Play your 5. Lock one team from another group that’s a rival (if both sides want to). Play half of another group.

West
Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLa, Nebraska, northwestern

Central
Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota

East
Penn state, Rutgers, Maryland, Ohio state, Indiana. Purdue

Lock
Michigan - Ohio state
Nebraska - Iowa


Minnesotas schedule would be:
Central every year + 2 from west + 2 from east
You’d get everyone home and home in 6 years if you don’t have a cross group rival.
If you choose a locked rival it means you’re home and home every 10 years with the rest of that group rather than 6.
 

Pitt, BC, Syracuse, FSU, UNC, Virginia, Notre Dame, Stanford. We good.
 



GoldRush said:
I'd rather grab Georgia Tech than Syracuse or Pitt. Much better school and gets Atlanta market.
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TXGopher09 said:
Pitt, BC, Syracuse, FSU, UNC, Virginia, Notre Dame, Stanford. We good.
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Syracuse and BC do not have the research profile to be invited.

FSU and Notre dame don’t either. But maybe it would be overlooked (like Nebraska) due to football brand.
Pitt has it; UNC does, Virginia does
 

Danny B reminded us on Sunday that Indiana won the national championship. Why do we have local media that isn’t fans of the local teams?
 

Some guy said:
Yes
And Georgia tech too

+ 2 more to get to 24

The candidates beyond those 4 include (in order, probably)
Notre Dame
Miami
Arizona State
Duke
Colorado
Utah
Kansas
Stanford

Looking to add Markets, AAU, football in that order.


West:
USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Nebraska, Notre Dame

Midwest:
Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, northwestern, Iowa, Purdue

northeast:
Michigan, Michigan State, Rutgers, Indiana, Ohio State, Penn State

Southeast:
Florida state, Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Miami, Virginia

Schedule:
11 game schedule
Play 5 in your division, play an entire other division (plus Iowa Nebraska swap one opponent to preserve rivalry)
5 teams you play every year
Play all the league home and home in 6 years.
One buy game

24 works better than 28 for scheduling by a lot.


20 would be interesting and could have a similar scheduling model with 4 groups of 5:

Maryland, North Carolina, Florida State, Penn State, Rutgers

Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Indiana, Ohio State

Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois

Northwestern, Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLA

Play your 4 plus another group of 5. Northwestern and Illinois swap one game to preserve rivalry. Home and home against everyone is 6, still 3 non conference games.
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I've always liked the 20 team with 4 divisions of 5 thought. Gives more teams something to play for until the end of the season. Another west coast team like Stanford-Cal-Wash St to fill out a west division would make sense here. 9 conference games would fit well in this structure with everyone in your division playing the same teams for balance.
 

Spaulding!No! said:
Danny B reminded us on Sunday that Indiana won the national championship. Why do we have local media that isn’t fans of the local teams?
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Both Barreiro and Sinikin are IU grads.

Do you want to limit the media to U grads only?
 

Some guy said:
Syracuse and BC do not have the research profile to be invited.

FSU and Notre dame don’t either. But maybe it would be overlooked (like Nebraska) due to football brand.
Pitt has it; UNC does, Virginia doe
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Spaulding!No! said:
Danny B reminded us on Sunday that Indiana won the national championship. Why do we have local media that isn’t fans of the local teams?
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Why do you keep listening to kfan is the bigger question.
 

Some guy said:
Syracuse and BC do not have the research profile to be invited.

FSU and Notre dame don’t either. But maybe it would be overlooked (like Nebraska) due to football brand.
Pitt has it; UNC does, Virginia does
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FSU isn't bad in research, but they were passed over for U of Southern Florida in the last round of AAU membership invitations. Seems wild to include a directional school, but I believe it is largely biased towards medical research, which is something FSU lacks.

Despite its name, FSU is also not a land-grant university, in the same sense that Minnesota State (Mankato) is not. Minnesota and Florida are, in those two states.
 

GopherGrit said:
FSU isn't bad in research, but they were passed over for U of Southern Florida in the last round of AAU membership invitations. Seems wild to include a directional school, but I believe it is largely biased towards medical research, which is something FSU lacks.

Despite its name, FSU is also not a land-grant university, in the same sense that Minnesota State (Mankato) is not. Minnesota and Florida are, in those two states.
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There are some strange dynamics at play, if the big ten were ever trying to go totally independent and not play any other leagues by going 30-40 teams…there is a world where AAU schools like Buffalo, Tulane, or South Florida are added to get the league to a rounder number.
That’s probably at least 20 years away. And it would probably be one of them as a replacement for team X that fell through, not all 3.
 



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