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This is as far as they can go.

What changes do they need to make?

Are we in on Giannis now?

It seems we are stuck in neutral. It's going to be hard to get better.

I need you to give me a plan.
 

Put all your hope in the Wild basket until Kaprisov or Hughes leave. That's literally your only plan for the pro teams.
 



Be done with MN pro sports teams. None of them will ever win anything. It's just the culture of the state.
 


tikited said:
Trade Randle. That is move #1. Must rid him from this team.
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We can't score for schit when we get this far.

I'd cry if we start naz.

How the hell you going to do this.

Gobert and Randle have been horrific this series. Just putrid.
 

kg21 said:
We can't score for schit when we get this far.

I'd cry if we start naz.

How the hell you going to do this.

Gobert and Randle have been horrific this series. Just putrid.
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Why don't you throw out some solutions. All you do is bitch and offer nothing.
 

Get a time machine and hope the 03-04 Conference Finals goes wildly differently.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Why don't you throw out some solutions. All you do is bitch and offer nothing.
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I'm bitching here? Ok

Be done with Minnesota sports was damn brilliant I tell ya. Talk about a bitch

Ok...........go for giannis, trade the farm, and pray beringuer becomes damn good.

While I posted this, two more free runs to the hoop for the spurs.

Mods.......feel free to delete this entire thread.
 
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Powertrip host corky thatcher and Meatsauce were right. Wolves stink
 

Finch needs to go. Zero ball movement and not much passion for defense or blocking out on this team.
 

bga1 said:
Finch needs to go. Zero ball movement and not much passion for defense or blocking out on this team.
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Maybe, but we can't get by anyone in this series. We can't put the ball on the floor.

Every score is just so much work.

We've always struggled to score when we get about this far. I don't know what one does.

Ant needs another scorer. Someone off the dribble. They are trapping him at mid-court and we don't make them pay at all.

but I'd go for another coach for sure! Finch has taken us as far as he can.
 



kg21 said:
This is as far as they can go.

What changes do they need to make?

Are we in on Giannis now?

It seems we are stuck in neutral. It's going to be hard to get better.

I need you to give me a plan.
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My best hope is for the Timberwolves to get reallocated to NBA Eastern Conference, while staying in the Twin Cities.
 

kg21 said:
I'm bitching here? Ok

Be done with Minnesota sports was damn brilliant I tell ya. Talk about a bitch

Ok...........go for giannis, trade the farm, and pray beringuer becomes damn good.

While I posted this, two more free runs to the hoop for the spurs.

Mods.......feel free to delete this entire thread.
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I mean Minnesota/Minneapolis is the biggest loser city/state with 4 sports teams. Why is that so far fetched? At some point smart people cut their losses.

So trade the whole team for a 31 year old Giannis, that's your brilliant solution?
 



For starters, find a legitimate PG that can take the ball out of Ant's hands as the primary ball handler to initiate our offense. Hopefully, they can also defend and shoot at least 35% from 3.

I would inquire about Jrue Holiday who will probably be available with Scoot's development this year. Randle for Holiday, anyone?

Front Court

* Randle and Rudy both have value and very movable contracts. Naz has more trade value than both and an equally favorable deal to move. I'd be stunned if we don't move at least one of these guys.

* I fear Berenger is still "a year away from being a year away" but we still have no idea how far along he is with Finch's unwillingness to play the younger talent during the Regular Season.

* I'd prefer to keep Rudy for his defensive prowess but his complete lack of offense has us playing 4-on-5 in our half court offensive sets.

Wings/Guards

* Both McDaniels and TSJ have elevated their trade value significantly, albeit at completely different levels. Jaden would be coveted around the league and TSJ should now be considered a quality asset in a potential deal rather than just a salary filler.

* Get Ant fully healthy. Get Ant to play defense again. Get Ant a vasectomy.

* Figure out a way to re-sign Ayo, hopefully having him come off the bench after we acquire a legit PG.

* Keep Clark, send Bones packing and hopefully Conley retires so we can drop him off at the nursing home in time for Bingo.

Coaches

Finch has done some great things and deserves plenty of praise, but we need a new voice and that means also NOT promoting Nori despite liking him a lot.

With Kerr re-signing in GS and Spoelstra likely to stay at MIA, there are no obvious home run hires. I'm rolling the dice on Sam Cassell if I'm the GM.

I think we have more than enough in valuable trade assets if we want to make a major roster revamp around Ant. Trade for Giannis? Not interested unless Jaden is off the table and then I think our offer would be too weak to actually land him.

Moving to the Eastern Conference would be a good start.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I mean Minnesota/Minneapolis is the biggest loser city/state with 4 sports teams. Why is that so far fetched? At some point smart people cut their losses.

So trade the whole team for a 31 year old Giannis, that's your brilliant solution?
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Gobert is done

Everyone is screaming to dump Randle

McDaniels.......meh...........he can't guard the spurs

roll the dice

Naz is severely overpaid

Yep, I'd trade for giannis, hope Beringuer develops so there is your front court. That's way better offense in the front court with some actual hops and better foot speed. Now develop the backcourt with him. Ayo is a maybe.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I mean Minnesota/Minneapolis is the biggest loser city/state with 4 sports teams. Why is that so far fetched? At some point smart people cut their losses.

So trade the whole team for a 31 year old Giannis, that's your brilliant solution?
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So cut your losses and get out of this thread.

3 years ago Denver was going to be hell for the next few years. Two years ago, it was how is anyone going to catch Dallas or the celtics. Now it's who can catch the spurs or OKC. No one knows in two years where any of this is at.
 
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How many "superteams" with multiple stars are still left versus how many teams with 1 big time star and a bunch of ancillary guys with roles and great depth?

I think you'll have your answer on the route to try go much easier. The aprons have made assembling stars with big contracts a poor strategy. Giannis and Ant paired basically gives you two guys who play iso best and are mediocre passing out of doubles. Find role players who 3 and d to pair with Ant and a PG who can facilitate and this team vastly better than being stuck with another sunk contract with Giannis

OKC is going to pay the piper next year. They're 29mil over the 2nd apron. The Spurs are going need to pay Wemby the max next year. I'd gladly take 2-4 guard/wing/center players in that mid tier level who give you depth over Giannis contract. The Spurs are murdering us with hounding ball pressure on the outside and guys that can all either shoot it or move the ball dribble/driving (exact same as OKC did last year). I get it's not the "sexy" answer, but accumulating draft capital or those guys on friendly contracts so our depth is better and we can pressure more defensively would be the route I'd go
 
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upnorthkid said:
How many "superteams" with multiple stars are still left versus how many teams with 1 big time star and a bunch of ancillary guys with roles and great depth?

I think you'll have your answer on the route to try go much easier. The aprons have made assembling stars with big contracts a poor strategy. Giannis and Ant paired basically gives you two guys who play iso best and are mediocre passing out of doubles. Find role players who 3 and d to pair with Ant and a PG who can facilitate and this team vastly better than being stuck with another sunk contract with Giannis

OKC is going to pay the piper next year. They're 29mil over the 2nd apron. The Spurs are going need to pay Wemby the max next year. I'd gladly take 2-4 guard/wing/center players in that mid tier level who give you depth over Giannis contract. The Spurs are murdering us with hounding ball pressure on the outside and guys that can all either shoot it or move the ball dribble/driving (exact same as OKC did last year). I get it's not the "sexy" answer, but accumulating draft capital or those guys on friendly contracts so our depth is better and we can pressure more defensively would be the route I'd go
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Doesn't giannis solve a bunch of that?

Can they double Ant like they are if they have a scoring force in the middle? I don't think they can. Rudy is no threat to score, so the pressure comes out deeper.

I dont know, but we can't score enough against teams when we get this far. Every shot seems like a struggle.

They are all over our perimeter players.
 

kg21 said:
Doesn't giannis solve a bunch of that?

Can they double Ant like they are if they have a scoring force in the middle? I don't think they can. Rudy is no threat to score, so the pressure comes out deeper.

I dont know, but we can't score enough against teams when we get this far. Every shot seems like a struggle.

They are all over our perimeter players.
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No. They've done the exact same thing to Giannis historically. You pack the paint and play off him. He is a poor outside shooter. Giannis can play in the post and I suppose a pick and roll with him and Ant would be fun, but a pick and pop guy who can shoot inside and outside probably is a lot more effective.

Giannis straight up for Rudy, yeah that's a banger of a deal. Giannis for Rudy plus multiple wing players and picks, we're a worse team after our starting 5.

I'd like Naz in the pick and pop with Ant much better than with Rudy, I agree.

The above of what you mention about scoring is exactly why I'd go with the defensive pressure approach. It gets you on the break, moving off missed shots, and getting simple shots with guys who are fresh and can cut and drive constantly. Giannis and Ant are both iso ball players who need the ball in their hands, which is not a recipe for consistent success in the postseason anymore.

Think Giannis feels like the "simple" fix that sounds good on paper, but I don't think that gets you over the hump with either SA of the future (maybe you get them this year) or the OKC of the present. The hard fix sets you up way more for the window you have over the next 5-6 years while Ant ascends to his prime (you're hoping)
 

I'd fire Finch. His strategy sucks (definitely his rotations) or his communication/accountability. I'm tired of hearing the excuse they aren't following the game plan.

Hunt teams that feel like they are one player away from getting to the playoffs so we can trade Randle and Rudy for something valuable.

Rudy just isn't enough of a threat offensively to make it work in playoffs. He has raised the floor substantially for the regular season. He's done his job getting Ant a taste of meaningful games. Hopefully another team wants to raise their floor and we can get something decent for him. If not, he's useful enough to keep on roster. Just need to play Joan more and get him experience.

Randle has to go no matter what, and with 2 years left, could be tougher to move. I'm looking at the Heat as a team that's looking to win and may trade for him. We won't get much for him, but I see Andrew Wiggins has a potential trade since their salaries are close. Wont move the needle much, but this would be addition by subtraction, especially if Finch stays. Finch is in love with Randle and I'm not sure why.

Also find a way to get another guard that can bring the ball up with Ayo. I'm over Point Ant. He's not good at finding team mates and it tires him out. Theres a reason MJ and Kobe wanted nothing to do with playing PG.

Re-sign Ayo.
 

upnorthkid said:
No. They've done the exact same thing to Giannis historically. You pack the paint and play off him. He is a poor outside shooter. Giannis can play in the post and I suppose a pick and roll with him and Ant would be fun, but a pick and pop guy who can shoot inside and outside probably is a lot more effective.

Giannis straight up for Rudy, yeah that's a banger of a deal. Giannis for Rudy plus multiple wing players and picks, we're a worse team after our starting 5.

I'd like Naz in the pick and pop with Ant much better than with Rudy, I agree.

The above of what you mention about scoring is exactly why I'd go with the defensive pressure approach. It gets you on the break, moving off missed shots, and getting simple shots with guys who are fresh and can cut and drive constantly. Giannis and Ant are both iso ball players who need the ball in their hands, which is not a recipe for consistent success in the postseason anymore.

Think Giannis feels like the "simple" fix that sounds good on paper, but I don't think that gets you over the hump with either SA of the future (maybe you get them this year) or the OKC of the present. The hard fix sets you up way more for the window you have over the next 5-6 years while Ant ascends to his prime (you're hoping)
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I don't think you need to blow it up for Ant. Getting rid of Randle a big start, hopefully it could help us land another wing player that can score to take pressure off of Ant
 

JimmyJamesMD said:
I don't think you need to blow it up for Ant. Getting rid of Randle a big start, hopefully it could help us land
upnorthkid said:
No. They've done the exact same thing to Giannis historically. You pack the paint and play off him. He is a poor outside shooter. Giannis can play in the post and I suppose a pick and roll with him and Ant would be fun, but a pick and pop guy who can shoot inside and outside probably is a lot more effective.

Giannis straight up for Rudy, yeah that's a banger of a deal. Giannis for Rudy plus multiple wing players and picks, we're a worse team after our starting 5.

I'd like Naz in the pick and pop with Ant much better than with Rudy, I agree.

The above of what you mention about scoring is exactly why I'd go with the defensive pressure approach. It gets you on the break, moving off missed shots, and getting simple shots with guys who are fresh and can cut and drive constantly. Giannis and Ant are both iso ball players who need the ball in their hands, which is not a recipe for consistent success in the postseason anymore.

Think Giannis feels like the "simple" fix that sounds good on paper, but I don't think that gets you over the hump with either SA of the future (maybe you get them this year) or the OKC of the present. The hard fix sets you up way more for the window you have over the next 5-6 years while Ant ascends to his prime (you're hoping)
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another wing player that can score to take pressure off of Ant
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but teams aren't packing the paint when we get this far. They could care less about the paint with rudy in there.

McDaniels, Ayo and Ant are being pressured 30 feet from the hoop at all times.

Does this happen with someone like Giannis in the middle.

I'm looking at it as taking pressure off the perimeter.
 

JimmyJamesMD said:
I don't think you need to blow it up for Ant. Getting rid of Randle a big start, hopefully it could help us land another wing player that can score to take pressure off of Ant
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yes should be clear, don't mean you need to blow it up, just accentuate everything around him. You don't need some other dominant "scorer" if you have 3-4 additional guys who can chip in 8-15 depending on their shooting night while giving you defensive effort and ball pressure. DD is a perfect example of this. I'd move Randle and add 2 guard/wings on his contract size if you can who will defend and can hit a 3 when open. team is wildly better just with that move imo
 
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kg21 said:
but teams aren't packing the paint when we get this far. They could care less about the paint with rudy in there.

McDaniels, Ayo and Ant are being pressured 30 feet from the hoop at all times.

Does this happen with someone like Giannis in the middle.

I'm looking at it as taking pressure off the perimeter.
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they are in the sense of Wemby can sag off Rudy and be there for help/patrolling the paint. That doesn't change because Giannis can't hurt you from outside consistently enough. They'll still get pressure as that is how the NBA exists now at the elite level. You give up a few more dunks at times, but you force way more turnovers as they can't call fouls every time down the floor.

The problem is they've built the team around the assumption Rudy is needed for defensive coverage because they have minus perimeter defenders at multiple spots at times and when Rudy comes off the floor, Naz provides nothing to cover for those guys and you don't have other fresh defenders to hound the perimeter guys so they're getting to the hoop repeatedly for layups. Getting Giannis will really hinder us in much the same way. He'll block shots like Rudy at times, but they'll just pull him away from the hoop and cost wise you lose your rotational depth/pieces so you get murdered in your second team units
 

The answer isn't Giannis. Too old. The answer isn't a big haul for Randle, he's been shit since mid December and the league knows it. The answer isn't Berenger if they decide to trade Rudy. He's at least a year away from being a 10 minute/game player. The answer isn't firing Finch. He's done remarkably well with an unbalanced roster, a charismatic but immature superstar, poor drafting by the FO and inadequate draft capital that is about to get a lot worse. The answer isn't moving to the east. That's 2-4 years away, if ever. With MN sports luck, the wolves would move east just as the conference becomes ridiculously good.

The team has almost no draft capital left. Connelly gives away draft picks like chicklets. Even trading the four seconds plus Dilly and Miller for possibly only two months of Ayo was stupid. Seconds do mean something.

The answer is that the wolves have to get incredibly lucky and, in addition to moving Randle and, possibly, Rudy this summer, they have to trade Jaden.
 

I don't know. I feel like if this squad played the last 10 NBA Champs in a 7 game series, they'd come away with a handful of titles. But they feel miles away from OKC and the Spurs in terms of speed and athleticism.
 

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