Gophers QB Drake Lindsey Arrested on Underage Drinking, Fake ID Charges

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gopherbadgerman said:
My two kids have Minnesota fakes they they’re totally legit. They even get scanned at the liquor stores and they work. It’s their picture their address, everything identical to their drivers license, except the date of birth. It’s crazy the first time I saw them I couldn’t believe how good they were.
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That’s pretty nuts.
 

GoldRush said:
That said, the drinking age should be lower.
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I always felt that way until I got a little older. My main concern would be that there are plenty of 18 year olds in high school and sometimes a 19 year old (Kevin Garnett?). Not sure being able to buy is a good thing at that age, but I'm ok with the consumption, as long as someone older/more responsible buys it for them so we know they aren't drinking at lunch during high school.

Be interested to hear from people who were around MN when the age was 18/19. Did high school kids drink a lot?
 

GopherTheJugular said:
I always felt that way until I got a little older. My main concern would be that there are plenty of 18 year olds in high school and sometimes a 19 year old (Kevin Garnett?). Not sure being able to buy is a good thing at that age, but I'm ok with the consumption, as long as someone older/more responsible buys it for them so we know they aren't drinking at lunch during high school.

Be interested to hear from people who were around MN when the age was 18/19. Did high school kids drink a lot?
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It was amazing all the new young underage friends I had once I could buy legally. Many of my classmates were bombed every weekend in high school. Hell we used the have a graduation party every year for many years. Cops knew about it, patrolled outside the outdoor venue we held it at, usually a gravel pit or some out of the way place. People were usually there all night. Never a problem then MADD got involved and that was the end of it.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
I always felt that way until I got a little older. My main concern would be that there are plenty of 18 year olds in high school and sometimes a 19 year old (Kevin Garnett?). Not sure being able to buy is a good thing at that age, but I'm ok with the consumption, as long as someone older/more responsible buys it for them so we know they aren't drinking at lunch during high school.

Be interested to hear from people who were around MN when the age was 18/19. Did high school kids drink a lot?
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It was amazing all the new young underage friends I had once I could buy legally. Many of my classmates were bombed every weekend in high school. Hell we used the have a graduation party every year for many years. Cops knew about it, patrolled outside the outdoor venue we held it at, usually a gravel pit or some out of the way place. People were usually there all night. Never a problem then MADD got involved and that was the end of it
 



GopherTheJugular said:
How about during the week though, like did people drink over lunch, or right after school, etc. Thanks.
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Well, for one thing, our high school had an area across the street from school where during lunch like 50 kids would hang out and smoke cigarettes the whole time and it was set aside by the school for that so might surprise you if you’re asking these questions. The 70s and then into the 80s Kids’ drank all the time, pot was everywhere, you’d have kids do stupid things like huffing paint and all kinds of stuff. There was a lot of drinking, but I don’t think before school or at lunch that was much, much more the time when kids would get stoned.
 


GopherTheJugular said:
How about during the week though, like did people drink over lunch, or right after school, etc. Thanks.
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Not a lot, but it happened. I remember one of my classmates was a no show for the start of class after lunch break. She pops in hammered midway through the course. Found religion after that and became very anti-drinking.
 

Going off the topic a bit. A few comments in regard to the fake licenses working. I can't help but wonder what kind of fraud or hurt that fake licenses cause as a whole. We talk about fraud etc. This is the first step in that direction.
 
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GopherTheJugular said:
How about during the week though, like did people drink over lunch, or right after school, etc. Thanks.
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True story.

Here are the predicate facts:
  1. Was a graduating HS Senior in 1976
  2. Drinking age in Georgia at the time was 18 (I was 17)
  3. Had a good friend who had turned 18
  4. McDonalds as a community service would provide a 10-gallon Igloo cooler, a gallon of orange concentrate, and however much ice you wanted for free upon request
  5. Oh, probably was a bit of a non-conformist or rebel or whatever for an A student
Anywho, on the last day of school the friend and I made the run to McDonalds for the orange juice, hit the liquor store for the vodka and Golden Grain, and created the "screwdriver" mix in the Igloo cooler.

Took it it English class where the teacher was so flabbergasted that she just yelled to get it out of the room. We said sure as everyone else was saying why? She was trying to hold back her laughing as we left the room.

Took it to Social Studies class where that teacher said "well we can't have any evidence" and proceeded to let the class imbibe at will. She had a cup too. Needless to say some folks got pretty drunk.

Didn't get caught so no harm no foul. So the answer is "yes" and then some. Good times.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
How about during the week though, like did people drink over lunch, or right after school, etc. Thanks.
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BilldGopher said:
True story.

Here are the predicate facts:
  1. Was a graduating HS Senior in 1976
  2. Drinking age in Georgia at the time was 18 (I was 17)
  3. Had a good friend who had turned 18
  4. McDonalds as a community service would provide a 10-gallon Igloo cooler, a gallon of orange concentrate, and however much ice you wanted for free upon request
  5. Oh, probably was a bit of a non-conformist or rebel or whatever for an A student
Anywho, on the last day of school the friend and I made the run to McDonalds for the orange juice, hit the liquor store for the vodka and Golden Grain, and created the "screwdriver" mix in the Igloo cooler.

Took it it English class where the teacher was so flabbergasted that she just yelled to get it out of the room. We said sure as everyone else was saying why? She was trying to hold back her laughing as we left the room.

Took it to Social Studies class where that teacher said "well we can't have any evidence" and proceeded to let the class imbibe at will. She had a cup too. Needless to say some folks got pretty drunk.

Didn't get caught so no harm no foul. So the answer is "yes" and then some. Good times.
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When I was starting HS, Minnesota Drinking age was 19 but in Wisconsin still 18. A very common rite of passage for those turning 18 was to head over the border from my hometown, to tie one on to celebrate their birthday.

One such senior (brother of a friend of mine) had a festive evening on a school night, and his stern father made him suck it up and go to school the next day. He was in my 1st hour Study Hall and was looking as green as Kermit.

The teacher in charge of the proceedings was very well aware of the circumstances and was giving him the old needle. Then he puked right there in the cafeteria. Violently. It was equal parts hilarious and gross.

I still remember the janitor coming in to clean it up. Looked like Carl from Caddyshack in some sort of Hazmat suit get up.

Both Minnesota and Wisconsin upped the age to 21 on September 1, 1986. For Minnesota I was more than a year short, but Wisconsin it was just a matter of a few months.

A couple of friends in my class just made it. They were relied upon heavily by many to assist with the social festivities.
 
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GopherTheJugular said:
I always felt that way until I got a little older. My main concern would be that there are plenty of 18 year olds in high school and sometimes a 19 year old (Kevin Garnett?). Not sure being able to buy is a good thing at that age, but I'm ok with the consumption, as long as someone older/more responsible buys it for them so we know they aren't drinking at lunch during high school.

Be interested to hear from people who were around MN when the age was 18/19. Did high school kids drink a lot?
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How you “feel” and the law are quite different.
 





#2Gopher said:
I'd be shocked if it was. I wouldn't be surprised however if it's a slap on the wrist.
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Thousands of college kids every year get hit with underage drinking, fake ID, possession by a minor, etc. Some are tossed, many get slap on wrist, most expunged after a year. Only multiple repeat offenders get any significant penalty. It's a scam to raise money by municipalities in college towns
 

#2Gopher said:
Going off the topic a bit. A few comments in regard to the fake licenses working. I can't help but wonder what kind of fraud or hurt that fake licenses cause as a whole. We talk about fraud etc. This is the first step in that direction.
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Ummm, no. Having a fake ID so you can drink in college is not the start of the path for making a living off of identity fraud, stealing out of people's bank accounts, etc.

Man, I'm glad the juries are 12 instead of just a few. Some of the takes on here are nuts.
 


#93fanclub said:
He’s 20. In many states drinking age is 18. Poor judgment on his part? Yes. Lesson learned: I’m recognizable and I’m making something of my life. There will be haters. I need to be careful. In the words of Herb Dean: “Protect yourself at all times.”
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All state have a legal drinking age of 21.
 

DarrenTheGreek said:
I know football fans, particularly SEC fans, are not the most rational people on the planet but why would anyone in Fayetteville be mad at Lindsay? He committed to Minnesota without being recruited by the Hogs.
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Bars in that town have cracked down on fake ID'S for years. Drake will end up with a misdemeanor on his record with a fine and maybe community service.
 

alchemy2u said:
Really? He had a fckg fake ID!

He needs some punishment or the whole PJ culture and leadership mantra is a farce. It doesn't matter about how much you guys think it is not big deal.

It is a Big Fckg Deal!

The fake ID and drinking in a hometown bar shows a serious failure in understanding of what is expected of him. He is PAID big bucks to be the starting QB of a B1G Program and has been selected as a Captain. He is just a year(s) away from trying to QB a NFL Team. He is not a normal college student, he is a face of the team. Minnesota, the B1G and any future NFL team expect him not to embarrass them. This cannot be laughed off, he needs a "come to Jesus" meeting that truly clarifies the seriousness of how he needs to keep his nose clean. Anybody can and will be replaced if they can't take their head out of their ass.
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Abbreviating naughty words is fucking lame
 

GopherTheJugular said:
Ummm, no. Having a fake ID so you can drink in college is not the start of the path for making a living off of identity fraud, stealing out of people's bank accounts, etc.

Man, I'm glad the juries are 12 instead of just a few. Some of the takes on here are nuts.
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The fact is that the same type of fake IDs can be used for those purposes as well. Not by the same people but that is actually a worthy point to discuss.

It seems like a form of privilege - I won’t label it but you can surmise college kid demographics and socioeconomics - let’s say a white 20 yr old college kid to get caught with a fake ID and we just want to say “kids will be kids.”

A darker skinned 20 year old non college kid in the blue collar neighborhood a few blocks off campus gets caught with a fake ID - well he’s a grown man and he could be using it for bank fraud or trying to get a gun illegally!

I don’t think our laws work that way, if these illegal items (fake IDs) have the same potential to do harm, then the penalties can’t be drastically different.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
Ummm, no. Having a fake ID so you can drink in college is not the start of the path for making a living off of identity fraud, stealing out of people's bank accounts, etc.

Man, I'm glad the juries are 12 instead of just a few. Some of the takes on here are nuts.
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GopherTheJugular said:
Ummm, no. Having a fake ID so you can drink in college is not the start of the path for making a living off of identity fraud, stealing out of people's bank accounts, etc.

Man, I'm glad the juries are 12 instead of just a few. Some of the takes on here are nuts.
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Some people start with petty crimes and while they get away with those, they work up to larger crimes. I don't think my post was all nuts.
 

#2Gopher said:
Some people start with petty crimes and while they get away with those, they work up to larger crimes. I don't think my post was all nuts.
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I regularly go 5-7 over but I never had a sudden urge to keep pushing the envelope to the point where I was eventuallly shooting down the highway at 95 mph. The vast majority of people who have smoked or smoke weed still only smoke weed even though there was a century of fear mongering that it's a gateway drug to harder things.

The people whose small crimes build up to bigger crimes are generally ones who have pretty damning character flaws due to crappy factors present in their upbringing that got them there or psycological diagnoses. This isn't a serial killer starting with minor offenses to build up confidence to do the next bigger thing on the violence scale, a pedophile trying out grooming behavior, or a dude $50k in the hole who makes some desperate moves. This is a kid behaving like damn near every kid his age.
 

mngg11 said:
I regularly go 5-7 over but I never had a sudden urge to keep pushing the envelope to the point where I was eventuallly shooting down the highway at 95 mph. The vast majority of people who have smoked or smoke weed still only smoke weed even though there was a century of fear mongering that it's a gateway drug to harder things.

The people whose small crimes build up to bigger crimes are generally ones who have pretty damning character flaws due to crappy factors present in their upbringing that got them there or psycological diagnoses. This isn't a serial killer starting with minor offenses to build up confidence to do the next bigger thing on the violence scale, a pedophile trying out grooming behavior, or a dude $50k in the hole who makes some desperate moves. This is a kid behaving like damn near every kid his age.
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I'm not saying Drake is, just happens with others as to starting out at the petty level and realize how much they think they can get away with anything. Everything typically starts at a smaller level and works up. End of discussion.
 

#2Gopher said:
I'm not saying Drake is, just happens with others as to starting out at the petty level and realize how much they think they can get away with anything. Everything typically starts at a smaller level and works up. End of discussion.
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Sorry, but that's just a silly analysis. 99% of kids have committed an offense of some kind (speeding, underage drinking, pot, stealing a candy bar, etc), while 99% don't end up as serious criminals. An infinitely low number start out with murder as 1st offense.
 

Elevenseven said:
Bars in that town have cracked down on fake ID'S for years. Drake will end up with a misdemeanor on his record with a fine and maybe community service.
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Whenever I hear the word "misdemeanor," I think back to the 80s cartoon "C.O.P.S." and one of the lead villains, Miss Demeanor, who worked for the Big Boss.....
 

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