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PMWinSTP said:
That's literally what I posted.
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Not really. You’re saying that they coached them up beyond their potential

I’m saying that others misread their potential

That’s close, but not the same thing
 

Some guy said:
Not really. You’re saying that they coached them up beyond their potential

I’m saying that others misread their potential

That’s close, but not the same thing
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Good grief.
 

PMWinSTP said:
Good grief.
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You think it’s the same thing? I think it’s close but not the same

Cignetti isn’t coaching different schemes or better techniques than the other great coaches: so to me his advantage is identifying talent better
 

Some guy said:
You think it’s the same thing? I think it’s close but not the same

Cignetti isn’t coaching different schemes or better techniques than the other great coaches: so to me his advantage is identifying talent better
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OK Sparky.
 

PMWinSTP said:
OK Sparky.
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I just don’t think cignetti is a significantly better offensive or defensive coach than a lot of other guys who haven’t achieved what he has. So to me it’s the scouting more than the coaching.
 


PMWinSTP said:
Mentioned this before...on paper IU's roster looked very similar to the Gophers as far as player ratings (sans Mendoza). Cignetti does a masterful job of finding the players that fit his scheme and he and his staff take it from there as far as coaching them up to and sometimes beyond their potential.
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I have a hard time saying it’s all coaching them up when he didn’t coach many of them for more than a couple years. I think it’s more him identifying the talent and the rating services missing as they often do. The nfl draft showed us that it wasn’t just Cig getting guys to over perform and putting them in a position to succeed, these nfl teams see the talent.
 

btowngopher said:
I have a hard time saying it’s all coaching them up when he didn’t coach many of them for more than a couple years. I think it’s more him identifying the talent and the rating services missing as they often do. The nfl draft showed us that it wasn’t just Cig getting guys to over perform and putting them in a position to succeed, these nfl teams see the talent.
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Yeah, obviously has a lot of talent but I think it breaks down into two camps. If folks are PJ apologists they’re going to say it’s talent for folks like me who think that PJ can’t X and O and/or game day coach his way out wet paper bag you’re gonna say it’s mostly coaching. I would say the talent is closer to what we have than the coaching. Cignetti runs many circles around PJ.
 

Gopherchase said:
Yeah, obviously has a lot of talent but I think it breaks down into two camps. If folks are PJ apologists they’re going to say it’s talent for folks like me who think that PJ can’t X and O and/or game day coach his way out wet paper bag you’re gonna say it’s mostly coaching. I would say the talent is closer to what we have than the coaching. Cignetti runs many circles around PJ.
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Perhaps he does.

Indiana has had 10 players drafted the past two drafts

Minnesota has 10 since the 2021 draft



If you say, yeah that’s because he coached them up. There is an implication that either cignetti is better than all of the nfl coaches or an implication that other guys will catch up to these Indiana guys once they also get good coaching.
Perhaps it’s a little bit of both, if I was an nfl team I would be interested in cignetti and I wouldn’t be interested in fleck.
 

Some guy said:
I just don’t think cignetti is a significantly better offensive or defensive coach than a lot of other guys who haven’t achieved what he has. So to me it’s the scouting more than the coaching.
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It's both, which I said.
 



Gopherchase said:
Yeah, obviously has a lot of talent but I think it breaks down into two camps. If folks are PJ apologists they’re going to say it’s talent for folks like me who think that PJ can’t X and O and/or game day coach his way out wet paper bag you’re gonna say it’s mostly coaching. I would say the talent is closer to what we have than the coaching. Cignetti runs many circles around PJ.
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Indiana had 8 drafted last year to our 1, the talent level is not super close. It’s a lot harder to put metrics on the coaching, but must be an extremely large gap there in your opinion.
 

btowngopher said:
Indiana had 8 drafted last year to our 1, the talent level is not super close. It’s a lot harder to put metrics on the coaching, but must be an extremely large gap there in your opinion.
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You don't think being national champions had anything to do with it?
 


btowngopher said:
Indiana had 8 drafted last year to our 1, the talent level is not super close. It’s a lot harder to put metrics on the coaching, but must be an extremely large gap there in your opinion.
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One year sample size doesn’t cut it.
 








btowngopher said:
What do you mean? The sample is what it is. He’s only been there two years.
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Since PJ has been here, I think this past year was our lowest NFL output. It’s an aberration – – at least hopefully. Year before we put four players into the NFL that made game day rosters, so let’s see how Indiana’s class does this year. That’s what I mean.
 

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