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stocker08 said:
Rory determined to make some 18th hole drama with that tee shot. Maybe should have hit an iron.
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I'll cut CBS some slack, because Rory was way out of position but that was terrible TV coverage on that shot. No idea where he was going, didn't follow the ball mid-flight and felt like several minutes before we knew he wound up in the greenside bunker.

Nantz said "There's one!" not even sure if that was McIIroy's or Young's ball in the bunker.

We can return a crew of 4 from the Moon safely and track their every move but we had no idea where McIlroy's TaylorMade wound up on the 72nd Hole of the Masters?!?
 
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Slim Tubby said:
After trying for the past 20+ years to get tickets to the Masters, my 80-year old Dad leaves on Sunday for Augusta. I've never seen him this excited before until I reminded him that the first thing Mom wants to check out is the Merchandise tents.
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Way too late, but that is the best thing that they could have done.

I’ve been there a few times, and the best thing you can do is decide what you want from the merch buildings, get everything right away day one, some things like a hat or shirt you might want for that week, but some stuff you just don’t want to deal with, and there is a UPS right next to the merch building, so you just send it home.
 


GopherWeatherGuy said:
He's still ranked 23 in the world and is currently tied for 9th at the Masters. He's definitely qualified to be on the PGA tour.

There would be more of an argument to have if these guys weren't allowed to play in the majors. Then I could get behind making them start at the bottom again.
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Then he should be playing on the tour against the best. He made a choice. That's fine, but with a choice comes consequences. Don't you guys all love to say FAFO? These guys FA and now they can FO.
 


GopherWeatherGuy said:
Complaining about the LIV players is funny to me. If you had a job offer that was going to pay you tens of millions more and you also get to work less, I think most people on this board are going to take that deal.

It's better for golf to have these players back on the PGA tour. If the sponsors were mad they left, they should have paid them more. The 'they should be banned for life' crowd is just jealous.
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I don't think it's really comparable to your average person. Just getting 3 or 4x more pay would be life changing for most people. The average person can't relate to someone that already is making millions a year and is already set for life taking money from a group that assassinated a journalist and had some ties to 9/11 to play less golf.

Where the money is coming from plays a huge part in people hating LIV. I'm pretty confident that if I had over $50M - $75M in official career earnings from the PGA already, I would not accept blood money. And most didn't, that's why so few left for LIV.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I don't think it's really comparable to your average person. Just getting 3 or 4x more pay would be life changing for most people. The average person can't relate to someone that already is making millions a year and is already set for life taking money from a group that assassinated a journalist and had some ties to 9/11 to play less golf.

Where the money is coming from plays a huge part in people hating LIV. I'm pretty confident that if I had over $50M - $75M in official career earnings from the PGA already, I would not accept blood money. And most didn't, that's why so few left for LIV.
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I think people say that but I don't think it's true.

The public fund has major investments in EA Sports, Nintendo, Heathrow Airport, Uber, Salesforce, Google, Meta, Disney, Microsoft, etc. People use those products without blinking.

IMO, I think it's because LIV was seen as a disrupter. It changed how professional golf was played/viewed and people reject that. It's like how NIL and the transfer portal changed college athletics. I think people didn't want change.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I don't think it's really comparable to your average person. Just getting 3 or 4x more pay would be life changing for most people. The average person can't relate to someone that already is making millions a year and is already set for life taking money from a group that assassinated a journalist and had some ties to 9/11 to play less golf.

Where the money is coming from plays a huge part in people hating LIV. I'm pretty confident that if I had over $50M - $75M in official career earnings from the PGA already, I would not accept blood money. And most didn't, that's why so few left for LIV.
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All of that is valid, plus the LIVers went out and got megalomaniac Greg Norman as their front-man with a longstanding personal vendetta against the PGA Tour.

Happy 30TH Anniversary for the biggest choke job in Masters history to the Shark!
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I think people say that but I don't think it's true.

The public fund has major investments in EA Sports, Nintendo, Heathrow Airport, Uber, Salesforce, Google, Meta, Disney, Microsoft, etc. People use those products without blinking.

IMO, I think it's because LIV was seen as a disrupter. It changed how professional golf was played/viewed and people reject that. It's like how NIL and the transfer portal changed college athletics. I think people didn't want change.
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The change itself sucks. That's also why people do not like LIV Golf. It's just a horrible and completely avoidable product.
 



Bob_Loblaw said:
I think people say that but I don't think it's true.

The public fund has major investments in EA Sports, Nintendo, Heathrow Airport, Uber, Salesforce, Google, Meta, Disney, Microsoft, etc. People use those products without blinking.

IMO, I think it's because LIV was seen as a disrupter. It changed how professional golf was played/viewed and people reject that. It's like how NIL and the transfer portal changed college athletics. I think people didn't want change.
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Disagree. Although lots of major corporations are "evil" in one way or another, this is at another level IMO.

If it wasn't true, a lot more players would have taken the money and left the PGA.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Disagree. Although lots of major corporations are "evil" in one way or another, this is at another level IMO.

If it wasn't true, a lot more players would have taken the money and left the PGA.
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Those corporations I listed have significant investments from the exact same fund that created LIV. I just haven't seen the backlash to anything else the Saudi family has made significant investments.
 

Speaking of sad bald dudes do you guys get a funky tan line if you wear a ball cap? Signed. Tall with the hair of David.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Those corporations I listed have significant investments from the exact same fund that created LIV. I just haven't seen the backlash to anything else the Saudi family has made significant investments.
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Definitely some hypocrisy going on to some degree. To me it just goes back to how unrelatable it is to the average person.
 



Bob_Loblaw said:
Those corporations I listed have significant investments from the exact same fund that created LIV. I just haven't seen the backlash to anything else the Saudi family has made significant investments.
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1) Many people are simply unaware that the Saudis are invested in those companies

2) Unlike the Saudis' other corporate investments, there is a pretty strong public perception that the entire purpose of starting LIV was to "sports wash" the brutal muder of Jamal Khashoggi.

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Jamal Khashoggi - Wikipedia

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LIV Golf - Wikipedia

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All the coverage of the Masters from CBS, Amazon and ESPN took a step backwards this weekend. It seemed very amateurish and they had so much difficulty deciding who to cover, the switching back and forth was sloppy and hard to keep track of and they had the WORST time to find shots for the full 4 days.

 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Do people really believe that?
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Believe what, exactly? That Khashoggi was brutally mudered? Yes. That the Saudis were responsible? Yep. That LIV is an attempt to distract the public from their culpability? Uh huh.

I do. Many of the guys I golf with do as well. I won't spend one second watching LIV; neither will they.
 

RememberMurray said:
Believe what, exactly? That Khashoggi was brutally mudered? Yes. That the Saudis were responsible? Yep. That LIV is an attempt to distract the public from their culpability? Uh huh.

I do. Many of the guys I golf with do as well. I won't spend one second watching LIV; neither will they.
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No, that LIV was created as a diversion to Khashoogi.

I know Khashoogi was murded by the Saudis.

I have never heard that people believed that LIV was a distraction from Khashoggi. That seems like the worst possible way to get people to forget about something - - launch a high profile disruption that will put their entire find in the public eye. I think that's absolutely silly.

I don't watch it either. I just don't think people are opting out because it's "blood money".
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
No, that LIV was created as a diversion to Khashoogi.

I know Khashoogi was murded by the Saudis.

I have never heard that people believed that LIV was a distraction from Khashoggi. That seems like the worst possible way to get people to forget about something - - launch a high profile disruption that will put their entire find in the public eye. I think that's absolutely silly.

I don't watch it either. I just don't think people are opting out because it's "blood money".
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I believe it was the main purpose of LIV, and have many friends who agree with me.

Do a quick Google search on LIV and sports washing. Here's one example:

abcnews.com

LIV Golf's controversial growth raises questions over Saudi 'sportswashing'

"Impact x Nightline" explores the pushback against the controversial sports league that's funding by the Saudi governemnt.
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GophersInIowa said:
I don't think it's really comparable to your average person. Just getting 3 or 4x more pay would be life changing for most people. The average person can't relate to someone that already is making millions a year and is already set for life taking money from a group that assassinated a journalist and had some ties to 9/11 to play less golf.

Where the money is coming from plays a huge part in people hating LIV. I'm pretty confident that if I had over $50M - $75M in official career earnings from the PGA already, I would not accept blood money. And most didn't, that's why so few left for LIV.
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All money is pretty much blood money one way or another.
 

WilliamsArenaGuy said:
Then he should be playing on the tour against the best. He made a choice. That's fine, but with a choice comes consequences. Don't you guys all love to say FAFO? These guys FA and now they can FO.
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Don't let them play in any PGA tour events then.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Those corporations I listed have significant investments from the exact same fund that created LIV. I just haven't seen the backlash to anything else the Saudi family has made significant investments.
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The guys on the PGA Tour have benefited DRAMATICALLY by what the LIV guys did. None of them should be bitching, purses at all the big tournaments went up across the board as a direct result.

The PGA Tour was run like an unmitigated grease fire for a good number of years. Jay Monahan almost ran the tour into the ground with just terrible leadership. There's hope the new Commissioner is ready to take things in a new direction. Fingers crossed

Never understood the LIV outrage. Those folks should get a life really. I never watched a LIV event and I don't care if they sink or swim but the guy sitting on his couch losing his mind over what they did really need to let it go and focus on other things.
 

Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
Never understood the LIV outrage. Those folks should get a life really. I never watched a LIV event and I don't care if they sink or swim but the guy sitting on his couch losing his mind over what they did really need to let it go and focus on other things.
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Yes, I can see that you never understood it.

As for the bolded, hey... I get to decide what's important to me and what isn't. You can certainly do likewise.

For me, the murder of a journalist who spoke out against a repressive regime is worth note. You obviously have other priorities.
 

RememberMurray said:
Yes, I can see that you never understood it.

As for the bolded, hey... I get to decide what's important to me and what isn't. You can certainly do likewise.

For me, the murder of a journalist who spoke out against a repressive regime is worth note. You obviously have other priorities.
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Do you use any of the other things they've invested in?
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Do you use any of the other things they've invested in?
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Things they've invested in, yes. It would be almost impossible to avoid it. But keep in mind that an existing entity they've merely invested in (say, Disney) is not the same as an entity they actually started for a specific, nefarious purpose, like LIV.

If I have a pretty firm belief that they started an entity for the specific purpose of covering up their crimes (as is the case with LIV), then I would not invest in it, buy the product, or in any way contribute to it. At least, not knowingly.

They certainly didn't start LIV to make money, and my puny boycott won't hurt them a bit. But at least I'm being true to my own standards.
 

RememberMurray said:
Things they've invested in, yes. It would be almost impossible to avoid it. But keep in mind that an existing entity they've merely invested in (say, Disney) is not the same as an entity they actually started for a specific, nefarious purpose, like LIV.

If I have a pretty firm belief that they started an entity for the specific purpose of covering up their crimes (as is the case with LIV), then I would not invest in it, buy the product, or in any way contribute to it. At least, not knowingly.

They certainly didn't start LIV to make money, and my puny boycott won't hurt them a bit. But at least I'm being true to my own standards.
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Why? The only difference is that it impacts your life less. You would actually have to give up things you enjoy. You're supporting them financially.

The only difference is that it would actually force you to make a sacrifice rather than just pound your chest with superficial morality of sacrificing something you never wanted.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Why? The only difference is that it impacts your life less. You would actually have to give up things you enjoy. You're supporting them financially.

The only difference is that it would actually force you to make a sacrifice rather than just pound your chest with superficial morality of sacrificing something you never wanted.
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No, that is NOT the only difference.

The Saudis did not create Disney, EA Sports, Heathrow, etc. They merely invested in them. They are free to invest in anything they like. They have enough money that they could invest in the entire S&P 500 if they chose. But them buying stock in something doesn't make the entire company nefarious.

In contrast, the Saudis did create LIV, and they did it specifically to sports wash their crimes.

To me there's a huge difference, even if you can't see it.
 

Yeah, like the year or 2 before Romney ran for president and we had those odd Mormon commercials.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
No, that LIV was created as a diversion to Khashoogi.

I know Khashoogi was murdered by the Saudis.

I have never heard that people believed that LIV was a distraction from Khashoggi. That seems like the worst possible way to get people to forget about something - - launch a high profile disruption that will put their entire find in the public eye. I think that's absolutely silly.
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It's widely been accepted that was the entire point of LIV. No other reason to dump $1.4 billion (and counting) on an entity that will never turn a dime worth of profit.
 

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