New Executive Order on College Sports

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stocker08 said:
Sounds like a similar argument to: we can pay the executives tens of millions of dollars......but paying the employees fair compensation? NO!!!!

Furthermore.....the schools have little say in what student athletes can receive through NIL. That's the basic issue here. Telling the athletes that the school and the NCAA can profit off their NIL.....but the student themselves cannot......will never fly in the courts.
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The schools are revenue sharing with athletes and paying them for their NIL via House Settlement.

Does this EO say that student athletes cannot profit off their NIL? I thought it was more focused on limiting transferring to a reasonable amount. You can't maintain good academic standing and focus on school if you're transferring to four different schools in five years.
 

50PoundHead said:
There may be some, but the only one I recall is the Alabama baseketball player who had been a professional in the US being denied further college eligibility.

The Pavia case is still the precedence that is causing problems and has been and likely will be the standard most athletes' will use in their quest for further eligibility. That was a bad ruling.
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upnorthkid said:
As far as I'm aware, no one is forcing any of the schools (or NIL collectives) to pay any of these prices

they chose to opt in to the rev sharing. they chose to have each sport. they chose how much they want to pay their coaches. Is having college sports across national conferences a right? Or could we go back to playing regional contests as amateurs? No one is stopping them from doing this, but they really like TV money and making big salaries as well
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Apologies but I honestly cannot tell if you're agreeing with me here or disagreeing.
 

Hey Stocker if you are upset that your executive is earnings millions and you don’t feel your wages are appropriate. change jobs. Personally, I love that my company CEO is making millions. Means our company is viable. Keep in mind that poor people don’t create jobs, only the rich do.
 

GopherGrit said:
The schools are revenue sharing with athletes and paying them for their NIL via House Settlement.

Does this EO say that student athletes cannot profit off their NIL? I thought it was more focused on limiting transferring to a reasonable amount. You can't maintain good academic standing and focus on school if you're transferring to four different schools in five years.
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These notes are right in the OP. Very vague.....but the third one pretty specifically seems to be pointing to NIL deals. What the hell is an "improper financial arrangement" under this EO?
  • implementing revenue-sharing in a manner that protects and expands opportunities in women’s and Olympic sports;
  • banning improper financial arrangements including pay-for-play agreements facilitated by collectives and similar entities; and
  • establishing protections against unscrupulous agent conduct.
 


Jack jones said:
Hey Stocker if you are upset that your executive is earnings millions and you don’t feel your wages are appropriate. change jobs. Personally, I love that my company CEO is making millions. Means our company is viable. Keep in mind that poor people don’t create jobs, only the rich do.
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Tons of CEOs make terrible decisions which massively affect their companies and then sail away with huge golden parachutes.

Regardless.....the market seems to be that schools and collectives are willing to pay student athletes millions of dollars to play for their schools. Why do republicans hate capitalism all of the sudden? Because minorities are cashing in would seem to be the obvious reason.
 

I am not going to read the entire 74 page order right now. Maybe I will on my next long flight.

Executive orders cannot overturn federal law and almost all the meaningful changes to college athletics have occurred because courts have deemed many of the historic NCAA rules to violate the Sherman Act (unreasonable restraint on trade).
  • Congress passes the law --> Sherman Act
  • Courts interpret law --> Judicial Decision on eligibility (applying the language of the Sherman Act to the particular facts of the case before them)
  • Executive Branch directs how existing laws are enforced --> There are certainly things within the NCAA that the executive branch/executive orders can influence, but they can't shouldn't be able to change federal law.
I'm not really predicting anything because we love in such a crazy bipartisan world where executive orders that clearly overreached have found safe harbor by politicized courts. For the sake of not getting dragged into a Trump debate, this is happening now and it happened before Trump. This isn't a rip on a political party, it's a rip on our political system.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I am not going to read the entire 74 page order right now. Maybe I will on my next long flight.

Executive orders cannot overturn federal law and almost all the meaningful changes to college athletics have occurred because courts have deemed many of the historic NCAA rules to violate the Sherman Act (unreasonable restraint on trade).
  • Congress passes the law --> Sherman Act
  • Courts interpret law --> Judicial Decision on eligibility (applying the language of the Sherman Act to the particular facts of the case before them)
  • Executive Branch directs how existing laws are enforced --> There are certainly things within the NCAA that the executive branch/executive orders can influence, but they can't shouldn't be able to change federal law.
I'm not really predicting anything because we love in such a crazy bipartisan world where executive orders that clearly overreached have found safe harbor by politicized courts. For the sake of not getting dragged into a Trump debate, this is happening now and it happened before Trump. This isn't a rip on a political party, it's a rip on our political system.
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But do you agree if someone made nfl 16 games and ncaa 64 teams it would create a 50 state sweep?
 




stocker08 said:
Why do republicans hate capitalism all of the sudden?
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This is what confuses me too. If there ever was a president that I thought would be in favor of what's happening with players being able to cash in and make a bunch of money, it would be this guy.

Trying my best not to be "too" political or take a side, but you posed an interesting question.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
This is what confuses me too. If there ever was a president that I thought would be in favor of what's happening with players being able to cash in and make a bunch of money, it would be this guy.

Trying my best not to be "too" political or take a side, but you posed an interesting question.
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If you start agreeing with Stocker, you're cooked.

A large portion of NCAA football/basketball fans are right in the Republican demographic and this is pandering to them. Most fans of the sports do not like the changes.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
This is what confuses me too. If there ever was a president that I thought would be in favor of what's happening with players being able to cash in and make a bunch of money, it would be this guy.

Trying my best not to be "too" political or take a side, but you posed an interesting question.
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No one hates capitalism, you two idiots.. this is an attempt to save college sports, in its current state you won’t have any of it in 10 to 15 years. But Trump, that’s all it is nothing more nothing less.
 

gopherphil said:
No one hates capitalism, you two idiots.. this is an attempt to save college sports, in its current state you won’t have any of it in 10 to 15 years. But Trump, that’s all it is nothing more nothing less.
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You're making some assumptions here. First, I said @stocker08 posed an interesting question. That doesn't mean I agree with his/her politics.

Secondly, I said I thought Trump would be a president who would be in favor of less restriction on trade. That says nothing about whether I'm a conservative or a liberal.

Can you stop assuming everything is TDS?

As for the rest of your post, I think the president has more to deal with right now than what's happening in college sports. Whether they thrive or whether they start to collapse, that's not the stuff I want any politician to be concerned with. There are A LOT more things that matter to me going forward in this world than whether or not schools will have Olympic sports or not.
 



Bob_Loblaw said:
I am not going to read the entire 74 page order right now. Maybe I will on my next long flight.

Executive orders cannot overturn federal law and almost all the meaningful changes to college athletics have occurred because courts have deemed many of the historic NCAA rules to violate the Sherman Act (unreasonable restraint on trade).
  • Congress passes the law --> Sherman Act
  • Courts interpret law --> Judicial Decision on eligibility (applying the language of the Sherman Act to the particular facts of the case before them)
  • Executive Branch directs how existing laws are enforced --> There are certainly things within the NCAA that the executive branch/executive orders can influence, but they can't shouldn't be able to change federal law.
I'm not really predicting anything because we love in such a crazy bipartisan world where executive orders that clearly overreached have found safe harbor by politicized courts. For the sake of not getting dragged into a Trump debate, this is happening now and it happened before Trump. This isn't a rip on a political party, it's a rip on our political system.
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Well said. At risk of sending this to the OT Board (and I say this as a 50+ year veteran of politics and government) is that the legislative branch is supposed to act as the mediating force within the Checks and Balances and they have largely abandoned that role. Instead, we have an on-going game of EO ping-pong depending on who is in the White House and then the subsequent hashing out of the EOs in the judicial branch.

Legislators (at al levels) need to realize that they aren't going to get every vote and that not everyone is going to be happy with their decisions and that if they can't accept that they are in the wrong business. What we are seeing now is that the legislative branch operates under the cover of "It's not my fault. The problem is in the Executive Branch" neglecting that power abhors a vaccuum and if the legislative branch decides to sit it out, they are ceding their power to shape policy and someone else is going to shape that policy.

Congress has bigger issues to address than NCAA athletics, but there are enough of them that an ad hoc committee could probably solve all of this in an afternoon.
 
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Bob_Loblaw said:
A large portion of NCAA football/basketball fans are right in the Republican demographic and this is pandering to them.
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Thanks for pointing that out. At some point I wish politicians (both sides) would just admit that no one is superman and can do everything.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
If you start agreeing with Stocker, you're cooked.

A large portion of NCAA football/basketball fans are right in the Republican demographic and this is pandering to them. Most fans of the sports do not like the changes.
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gopherphil said:
No one hates capitalism, you two idiots.. this is an attempt to save college sports, in its current state you won’t have any of it in 10 to 15 years. But Trump, that’s all it is nothing more nothing less.
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Republicans are constantly stepping on their own toes when it comes to these kinds of things. Capitalism is great when it benefits the multi-millionaires and billionaires. But some under priviledged minorities getting a piece of the pie?

"NO!!!! WE DON'T LIKE THESE KINDS OF FREE MARKETS!!!" - John Q Regressive
 

GopherGrit said:
Yahoo Sports back in Feb: "The NCAA has won roughly 70% of the lawsuits brought against it challenging eligibility rulings."

And then they won on Charles Bediako in Alabama no less.

And they just won on Virginia QB Chandler Morris.
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The rulings have been all over the map, literally and figuratively. Some courts are friendlier than others. I’d expect even more challenges from the aging out athletes in that mid to high 6 figure plus salary range, unless Congress steps in.

When you have a recent panel of federal judges debating at length whether NCAA athletes comprise a labor market that’s today’s sign of the apocalypse. The answer is YES. All tortured logic aside. Pay for play. Let’s just stop talking in code. Right?

Some know that admitting that simple fact will cause mass chaos for the NCAA and the conferences as the full brunt of antitrust law comes to bear, and seem to be rationalizing their decisions based on that fear. Others are leaning into it. It’s fascinating, and a very unique situation. Can anyone name a similar labor market, anywhere in the world?
 

stocker08 said:
Yes, he's a moron putting out baseless garbage while he actively drives the worldwide economy into the ground. Big league dementia.
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I love how we were told inflation was worldwide so Biden had no control over it and had no control over gas prices yet Trump somehow is driving the worldwide economy into the ground. Can’t make this stuff up lol.
 

Low level legal mind (have watched a lot of Law & Order), so correct me if opinion is off base & I won't be offended.....

My thought: Is this EO by Trump one where he/they know it most likely won't hold up, but more aimed at trying to nudge congress to look at antitrust exemption? I don't even know a lot about it, but know that's what I often hear when people talk about why the NFL & MLB can do some stuff & others can't......"they have antitrust exemption."

I'll hang up & listen......
 

FireDaveLee said:
Low level legal mind (have watched a lot of Law & Order), so correct me if opinion is off base & I won't be offended.....

My thought: Is this EO by Trump one where he/they know it most likely won't hold up, but more aimed at trying to nudge congress to look at antitrust exemption? I don't even know a lot about it, but know that's what I often hear when people talk about why the NFL & MLB can do some stuff & others can't......"they have antitrust exemption."

I'll hang up & listen......
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I hesitate to comment because I have no idea (but that hasn't stopped me before). I think this is more a unilateral statement from the White House because I believe they know Congress isn't going to do anything about this at least in the short term. We can argue the political upside/downside regarding the EO (and folks will automatically go to their corners), but we don't know what this looks like in an operational sense at this point. I just think once the whole NIL/Portal/Etc. system went into place, any attempts to put the genie back in the bottle will be extremely difficult.
 

CentralGopher said:
I love how we were told inflation was worldwide so Biden had no control over it and had no control over gas prices yet Trump somehow is driving the worldwide economy into the ground. Can’t make this stuff up lol.
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Which candidate was it again who promised $2 gas and "cheaper 'groceries-new word, groceries'-than you've ever seen. Believe me!"

Apparently you CAN make this stuff up.
 

CentralGopher said:
I love how we were told inflation was worldwide so Biden had no control over it and had no control over gas prices yet Trump somehow is driving the worldwide economy into the ground. Can’t make this stuff up lol.
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One was caused by a worldwide pandemic and Russia attacking Ukraine and the other was caused by a war started by the United States and Israel.

Yes....hard to make up the fact that there are tens of millions of adults in this country with little to no critical reasoning skills.
 

stocker08 said:
One was caused by a worldwide pandemic and Russia attacking Ukraine and the other was caused by a war started by the United States and Israel.

Yes....hard to make up the fact that there are tens of millions of adults in this country with little to no critical reasoning skills.
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Wrong forum, for all of you.
 

We all know we’ll still watch if there are 32 year old students working on their third degree playing college football making $2.5M at their sixth school.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
We all know we’ll still watch if there are 32 year old students working on their third degree playing college football making $2.5M at their sixth school.
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We shall see. I know the last couple years I've watched less and less college FB and bb. Still watch the Gophers but don't watch other games like I used to. But maybe that's just me.
 

GoldRush said:
We shall see. I know the last couple years I've watched less and less college FB and bb. Still watch the Gophers but don't watch other games like I used to. But maybe that's just me.
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Nope, you're not alone. I have zero interest in any other teams' games now because I have no idea if the outcome will have any bearing on the CFP or not.

I used to subscribe to something like Sling TV or YouTube TV etc and watch almost every game I could. Now I'll only watch the Gophers if it's convenient for me.
 

GoldRush said:
We shall see. I know the last couple years I've watched less and less college FB and bb. Still watch the Gophers but don't watch other games like I used to. But maybe that's just me.
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They’re very ok with losing fans like this but adding gamblers and making money. Same reason they keep expanding playoffs
 

Pompous Elitist said:
We all know we’ll still watch if there are 32 year old students working on their third degree playing college football making $2.5M at their sixth school.
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I agree with most of this, but I don't think that any of them will be making progress towards any degree. Just there to play for pay.
 

GoldRush said:
We shall see. I know the last couple years I've watched less and less college FB and bb. Still watch the Gophers but don't watch other games like I used to. But maybe that's just me.
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I'm watching fewer college games because they're becoming such blowouts. When one team doesn't have a chance, I'm not really interested in the game.
 

Unregistered User said:
I agree with most of this, but I don't think that any of them will be making progress towards any degree. Just there to play for pay.
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Whoa whoa whoa. Going to gym is a very important class as is that class their coach teaches
 

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