What do the Gophers need in the portal?

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Here's my list, with the understanding that some of these roles/skill sets can be filled by one player.

1. Go to scorer. I don't feel like we have anyone on the roster that can get us 15 points consistently. This is the guy at the top of the scouting report for the opposition. It was Cade Tyson last year, but we could literally add an individual scorer at almost any position 1-5 and adjust our targets accordingly. This could be a guy who has scored at another high major, mid major, or low major or a former heavily recruited kid looking for a bigger offensive role that Niko and staff believe in.
2. Size/Athleticism in the frontcourt. It struck me watching the Final Four how many of the rebounds were being collected way above the rim. This was previously lower on my list, so I may be a prisoner of the moment here, but we really could use a 4 or 5 that plays above the rim.

3. Backcourt shooting. Niko's offense creates so many good looks from 3 and last years backcourt of Asuma and Reynolds simply couldn't knock down enough of those looks. If Willis is back, he's another below average shooter that doesn't upgrade us from the Reynolds/Asuma backcourt of last season in regards to knocking down 3's.

4. Ballhandler/playmaker. I think it should be instructive that Niko trusted Langston Reynolds to handle the ball and create offense over Isaac Asuma. Maybe he really liked what he saw from Chansey Willis in preseason practice and sees him in this role next season. If not, I assume Willis is probably gone and we will add a lead guard.

5. Perimeter/Wing defender. This was also Langston last year. He was often on the other teams best perimeter player. I'd argue our two best pure athletes were Langston and Cade and we lose both of them. Depending on who else we add, this could be more of a cheaper option. If we nail other options we could get away with a Sean Sutherlin type here who plays a more situational role.

In general, I'd love to see us really pay 2 guys and then try to get average production out of 3 lower salary guys as opposed to adding 5 guys that are all in that middle tier salary range. Ideally you have the funds to add everything you need, but if not I'd rather definitively fill a couple needs and hope to fill in/overachieve with the guys who don't cost much.

Really interested to read how others view the roster and what roles are at the top of their wishlists. Hopefully this was the last year for a long time we're sitting out the Dance.
 

Here's my list, with the understanding that some of these roles/skill sets can be filled by one player.

1. Go to scorer. I don't feel like we have anyone on the roster that can get us 15 points consistently. This is the guy at the top of the scouting report for the opposition. It was Cade Tyson last year, but we could literally add an individual scorer at almost any position 1-5 and adjust our targets accordingly. This could be a guy who has scored at another high major, mid major, or low major or a former heavily recruited kid looking for a bigger offensive role that Niko and staff believe in.
2. Size/Athleticism in the frontcourt. It struck me watching the Final Four how many of the rebounds were being collected way above the rim. This was previously lower on my list, so I may be a prisoner of the moment here, but we really could use a 4 or 5 that plays above the rim.

3. Backcourt shooting. Niko's offense creates so many good looks from 3 and last years backcourt of Asuma and Reynolds simply couldn't knock down enough of those looks. If Willis is back, he's another below average shooter that doesn't upgrade us from the Reynolds/Asuma backcourt of last season in regards to knocking down 3's.

4. Ballhandler/playmaker. I think it should be instructive that Niko trusted Langston Reynolds to handle the ball and create offense over Isaac Asuma. Maybe he really liked what he saw from Chansey Willis in preseason practice and sees him in this role next season. If not, I assume Willis is probably gone and we will add a lead guard.

5. Perimeter/Wing defender. This was also Langston last year. He was often on the other teams best perimeter player. I'd argue our two best pure athletes were Langston and Cade and we lose both of them. Depending on who else we add, this could be more of a cheaper option. If we nail other options we could get away with a Sean Sutherlin type here who plays a more situational role.

In general, I'd love to see us really pay 2 guys and then try to get average production out of 3 lower salary guys as opposed to adding 5 guys that are all in that middle tier salary range. Ideally you have the funds to add everything you need, but if not I'd rather definitively fill a couple needs and hope to fill in/overachieve with the guys who don't cost much.

Really interested to read how others view the roster and what roles are at the top of their wishlists. Hopefully this was the last year for a long time we're sitting out the Dance.
Think you hit on most of the key areas of need. I break it down like this in terms of the roster.

Definite Starters - Asuma and JCJ
Key Reserves/Potential starters - Durkin and Grove
Probably starters if they return - Willis
Bench Guard - Shinholster
Incoming Freshman - Anderson, Myopi, Tomes - tough to know how ready they will be.
Transfers in -

Key needs - Top offensive weapon to replace Tyson (agree this guy is most likely not currently on the roster).

Backcourt starter/depth - right now we are really thin in the backcourt, if Willis and Shinholster return that helps but still a need for more depth and possibly a starter especially if Willis isn't back.

Frontcourt Starter/Depth - would be great if guys like Durkin and Grove could be key reserves off the bench as opposed to starters next year but will need more front court depth for that to happen. Mpoyi might fit in this mix as he already has good size for an incoming freshman but always tough to know what you will get from those guys.

Niko has some work to do in the portal but also has a solid foundation to build around and a proven system to sell.
 
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Here's my list, with the understanding that some of these roles/skill sets can be filled by one player.

1. Go to scorer. I don't feel like we have anyone on the roster that can get us 15 points consistently. This is the guy at the top of the scouting report for the opposition. It was Cade Tyson last year, but we could literally add an individual scorer at almost any position 1-5 and adjust our targets accordingly. This could be a guy who has scored at another high major, mid major, or low major or a former heavily recruited kid looking for a bigger offensive role that Niko and staff believe in.
2. Size/Athleticism in the frontcourt. It struck me watching the Final Four how many of the rebounds were being collected way above the rim. This was previously lower on my list, so I may be a prisoner of the moment here, but we really could use a 4 or 5 that plays above the rim.

3. Backcourt shooting. Niko's offense creates so many good looks from 3 and last years backcourt of Asuma and Reynolds simply couldn't knock down enough of those looks. If Willis is back, he's another below average shooter that doesn't upgrade us from the Reynolds/Asuma backcourt of last season in regards to knocking down 3's.

4. Ballhandler/playmaker. I think it should be instructive that Niko trusted Langston Reynolds to handle the ball and create offense over Isaac Asuma. Maybe he really liked what he saw from Chansey Willis in preseason practice and sees him in this role next season. If not, I assume Willis is probably gone and we will add a lead guard.

5. Perimeter/Wing defender. This was also Langston last year. He was often on the other teams best perimeter player. I'd argue our two best pure athletes were Langston and Cade and we lose both of them. Depending on who else we add, this could be more of a cheaper option. If we nail other options we could get away with a Sean Sutherlin type here who plays a more situational role.

In general, I'd love to see us really pay 2 guys and then try to get average production out of 3 lower salary guys as opposed to adding 5 guys that are all in that middle tier salary range. Ideally you have the funds to add everything you need, but if not I'd rather definitively fill a couple needs and hope to fill in/overachieve with the guys who don't cost much.

Really interested to read how others view the roster and what roles are at the top of their wishlists. Hopefully this was the last year for a long time we're sitting out the Dance.

great list. we need to upgrade the roster, need to find our 2 best players as a tournament team our best players can't be the guys we have returning.
 


great list. we need to upgrade the roster, need to find our 2 best players as a tournament team our best players can't be the guys we have returning.
I disagree a little that our returning guys can't be among our best players. We definitely need to bring in an offensive leader but JCJ and Asuma can be really good players on a tournament team and could easily be the #2 and #3 best guys on the team next year behind a lead dog that comes in from the portal.
 

I disagree a little that our returning guys can't be among our best players. We definitely need to bring in an offensive leader but JCJ and Asuma can be really good players on a tournament team and could easily be the #2 and #3 best guys on the team next year behind a lead dog that comes in from the portal.
I think bringing in Evans and Groves at guard would be very solid and have me very excited. We could very well be a tournament assuming they acclimate to Niko's system (reaclimate for Kyan),

But there are still some huge question marks. If you could get those two AND a proven 3-level scorer/defender at the P5 level, I'd be elated heading into next year.
 

I disagree a little that our returning guys can't be among our best players. We definitely need to bring in an offensive leader but JCJ and Asuma can be really good players on a tournament team and could easily be the #2 and #3 best guys on the team next year behind a lead dog that comes in from the portal.
Take away the 2 best players from a team that missed the tournament by a mile, and run it back!

Brilliant
 




Take away the 2 best players from a team that missed the tournament by a mile, and run it back!

Brilliant
Where did he say that? He literally said, "We need an offensive leader."

There's also this thing that good coaches often cultivate from their players called "improvement." It tends to happen most drastically in the offseason.
 


Save your breath my friend. Usaf isn't worth your time or effort
Here's a wager for you: if JCJ and Asuma are the 2nd and 3rd best players, the Gophers won't win as many B1G games next year as they did this year.
They don't, you owe me a beer.
They do, and I'll buy you 2.
 

Where did he say that? He literally said, "We need an offensive leader."

There's also this thing that good coaches often cultivate from their players called "improvement." It tends to happen most drastically in the offseason.
100%. Asuma went from 5.6 ppg|2.9 rpg|2.1 apg to 10.9ppg|4 rpg|3.7 apg. with only 7 more minutes per game. It is not unreasonable to think he jumps up another point or two per game.

JCJ went from 9ppg|4.4rpg|.8apg to 13.4ppg|6.8rpg|1.8apg. He was less efficient this year than last, it is not unreasonable to think he may be able to make another jump.

Durkin started slow but ended up raising his 3pt% by 4%. Without the slow start he is shooting 3s at 40+%. I'd bet that is a number he hits next year.

Grove was a RS Freshman, he will improve. Shinholster shot awful, but he doesn't have bad form. He spends all summer shooting, he will improve.

If we get Evans his numbers will improve from his sophomore year.

Ultimately we will see improvements from the players that return. The chemistry alone of playing together in back to back years does wonders. We won't have the growing pains at the beginning of the year like this year. So yeah, I 100% expect us to make the tournament next year by running it back. I think we would have made it this year if it weren't for the injuries.
 



We were very thin in actual backcourt players even before Willis got hurt. Niko is likely to look into Kyan Evans, CSU shooter, who struggled at N. Carolina.

I think many fans maybe overlooking the physicality, defense, and late game offense Reynolds brought us. Some will say Asuma can be that guy. Asuma isn't as strong, nor as athletic. I would be fine with Asuma as your 2nd best perimeter defender. Asuma 6-3 190, if we get Evans 6-2 175, Willis 6-2 205. Shinhloster 6-5, maybe 185. Tomes 6' 175. I don't see decent size on the perimeter.

So, we definitely need a wing scorer, and a wing/guard defensive athlete. Could they be the same portal player, maybe, but I doubt we would get that person.

In addition to shooting help and guard depth, I also read Niko wanting more size. Vailhola is a widebody but not tall at 6-8 and 265. JCJ at 6-8 240 was easily or most physcial player, who could also provide some rim protection, and a good 3 pt shooter when hot. Freshmen Mpoyi is 6-10 245, and looks a bit like Payne to me. Not sure how much a good team wants to play a freshmen. After seeing the success Illinois had with Eastern Europeans and the size of Michigan, and Purdue every year, I could see a continued push for big players. Nolen Anderson appears to be around 6-7 210 as a Sr. He plays like Durkin, but maybe more athletic. A big time 3pt shooter. Might have trouble guarding either forward as a fr.

So if Willis and Vaihola returns, they still need at least 1 great shooter-could be Evans.
One wing scorer.
One big guard/wing defender.
Another big guy, probably at least Mpoyi's size, with some experience.
If they don't return, over half the team will be new.

If Niko is unable to land a transfer scorer and defender, I am not sure we even replicate this year's success.
 

Save your breath my friend. Usaf isn't worth your time or effort
Well said. Best decision I made was putting him on ignore and not even paying attention to his posts anymore. I see based on some other posts in this thread that he is still doing that thing where he pretends someone said something that they didn't say and uses it as a reason to attack them.......to each their own I guess.
 


if im building this team to take the next step......
#1 regardless if willis is staying or not i am 100% trying to get a bonafide plug and play guard to pair with Asuma in the starting line up.

#2 a big guard/wing to battle with durkin for the starting spot at the 3

#3 im assuming Vaihola is back.....but finding front court depth at the 4/5

again my perfect world if they truly want to get better.....
PG-Transfer
SG-Asuma
SF-Transfer
PF-JCJ
C-Vaihola

Willis/Durkin/Transfer Big as the 1st 3 off the bench
Love grove, teams need a guy like him but if we can build the roster where he is #9 in the rotation and not 6 or 7 we are going to be much better team overall

again this is assuming to not expect a lot from the freshman, but if we can get anything from them it would be icing on the cake!
 

Well, if everyone we think is returning returns and all recruited freshmen stick by their commitments, we have 10 players already. That means no more than two or three likely from the portal.

Our returning guards are Asuma, Shinholster, and Willis. I don't think we can rely on either of the latter two to be starters and I don't expect a freshman guard to start. So, that means we need a starting caliber guard from the portal.

We have three returning front court players (I'm not counting Durkin here) and one freshman front court player. We need another front court player.

At least one of these players should have high scoring potential. That's more likely to be the guard than the forward but the forward needs to be able to score too and should be able to hit free throws at an acceptable level since two of our three returning front court players were pretty bad at that activity. We were outrebounded by 4.5 boards per game in league play so we need somebody that can improve that number as well. Vaihola was a good rebounder but he's coming off an injury and only averaged 21.4 minutes per game last season. Crocker-Johnson can be a good rebounder too but the way he plays frequently takes him away from the basket.
 

if im building this team to take the next step......
#1 regardless if willis is staying or not i am 100% trying to get a bonafide plug and play guard to pair with Asuma in the starting line up.

#2 a big guard/wing to battle with durkin for the starting spot at the 3

#3 im assuming Vaihola is back.....but finding front court depth at the 4/5

again my perfect world if they truly want to get better.....
PG-Transfer
SG-Asuma
SF-Transfer
PF-JCJ
C-Vaihola

Willis/Durkin/Transfer Big as the 1st 3 off the bench
Love grove, teams need a guy like him but if we can build the roster where he is #9 in the rotation and not 6 or 7 we are going to be much better team overall

again this is assuming to not expect a lot from the freshman, but if we can get anything from them it would be icing on the cake!
I agree it would be ideal to get to transfer starters. Evans could be the combo guard, but he is neither big, nor very athletic. If it is Evans, then Niko must get a strong athlete at SF.

Rebounding should go much better if we get that SF, plus if Vailhola returns, and Grove providing energy off the bench. If we rebound better, we could let a guard leak out for a break every now and then. The guards had to defensive rebound all of last season.

Durkin guarded the PF spot during the season. He really improved from how slow he looked early on. He will have trouble guarding the SF spot. He can play the 4 when we go small with JCJ at the 5. It was hard for teams to guard a team with a 4 and 5 who could hit 3's.

I think Nolen Anderson will be a solid rotation guy as a freshmen, maybe 15 min per game. One of the best shooting forwards in the country. He will struggle a bit on defense.
 

I agree it would be ideal to get to transfer starters. Evans could be the combo guard, but he is neither big, nor very athletic. If it is Evans, then Niko must get a strong athlete at SF.

Rebounding should go much better if we get that SF, plus if Vailhola returns, and Grove providing energy off the bench. If we rebound better, we could let a guard leak out for a break every now and then. The guards had to defensive rebound all of last season.

Durkin guarded the PF spot during the season. He really improved from how slow he looked early on. He will have trouble guarding the SF spot. He can play the 4 when we go small with JCJ at the 5. It was hard for teams to guard a team with a 4 and 5 who could hit 3's.

I think Nolen Anderson will be a solid rotation guy as a freshmen, maybe 15 min per game. One of the best shooting forwards in the country. He will struggle a bit on defense.
We need to find a replacement for Big Rob, he is in the portal. I don't see it as a great loss, we should be able to find somebody who can do the same things Rob did. Did we really get feel for what Rob was going to do for us?
 

They need a center.

 

We need to find a replacement for Big Rob, he is in the portal. I don't see it as a great loss, we should be able to find somebody who can do the same things Rob did. Did we really get feel for what Rob was going to do for us?
Rob was rebounding at a high level. Provided some girth and strength, as JCJ was the only other post player with some. So we need a similar big body, who is willing to rebound, hopefully a bit taller.
 

They need a center.

Niko thinking he is damaged goods and only welcomed him back at the minimum price? I figured he was a lock to be back considering how he stuck out the whole season after his injury like Willis.
 




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