Athletic: College football may be in danger

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GreasyGopher said:
My point is that it’s currently an unknown given the recent changes in college sports. It will probably take a few years to shake out. Also, I’d argue that it’s slightly different than the normal workplace as there’s likely millions of people capable of doing the jobs most people work while there are significantly fewer capable of playing high end college football.

Anyone can make a widget not everyone can play college sports.
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Pompous Elitist said:
Who in their right mind is submitting these deals to the schools/CSC?

if it wasn’t happening already the CSC overreach will drive the market underground.
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The article doesn't say. But it's Nebraska, so those corn heads were probably stupid enough to submit it themselves.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Who in their right mind is submitting these deals to the schools/CSC?

if it wasn’t happening already the CSC overreach will drive the market underground.
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something corporate payrolls and taxes or something. If it ended up getting found out you took it under the table, you are ineligible. NCAA teams are also required to report.

I get the whole why would you submit it, but it's a pretty big cash cow to make yourself automatically ineligible in a very easily traceable paper trail given its all being done out in the open now
 




upnorthkid said:
something corporate payrolls and taxes or something. If it ended up getting found out you took it under the table, you are ineligible. NCAA teams are also required to report.

I get the whole why would you submit it, but it's a pretty big cash cow to make yourself automatically ineligible in a very easily traceable paper trail given its all being done out in the open now
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Boosters aren’t subject to any kind of reporting requirements that I’m aware of. The players are (IRS) but as we know it took a Booz Hamilton leaker (which got him 5 years in the slammy) to reveal the tax returns of a certain fake tan-loving reality tv star turned politician.

Who would ever know? I’m coming from the perspective the players are still vastly underpaid (with many coaches and ADs overpaid) under the new system so while technically against the rules (which are against the law of the land but never mind) there is a bit of rage against the machine in my mind. Have at it. The CSC can pound sand.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Boosters aren’t subject to any kind of reporting requirements that I’m aware of. The players are (IRS) but as we know it took a Booz Hamilton leaker (which got him 5 years in the slammy) to reveal the tax returns of a certain fake tan-loving reality tv star turned politician.

Who would ever know? I’m coming from the perspective the players are still vastly underpaid (with many coaches and ADs overpaid) under the new system so while technically against the rules (which are against the law of the land but never mind) there is a bit of rage against the machine in my mind. Have at it. The CSC can pound sand.
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Yeah no idea but I’d imagine the tens of millions of dollars are probably much more challenging to hide coming from a NIL entity
 

RememberMurray said:
They do work. They work quite hard, actually.

There is a large time commitment. They are expected to attend practice, meetings, workouts, do film study and travel to and from games all over the country. Even in the so-called off season they are required to lift weights, attend and participate in captan's practices, train, etc. There are incredibly high expectations placed on college football players. Their work environment is extremely high-risk — just take a look at the number of players on a weekly basis who can't play because of injuries. Players routinely sustain concussions that can lead to dementia. Broken bones, knee injuries, shoulder separations, etc., are all simply routine in college football. They are considered part of the game.
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I don’t care whether they get paid or not it is what it is, but being a college athlete is a great gig either way.
 



upnorthkid said:
Yeah no idea but I’d imagine the tens of millions of dollars are probably much more challenging to hide coming from a NIL entity
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They’re under no obligation to share their financials with anyone except the IRS. I hear you, it would be nice if everyone played by the rules but there are literally no teeth behind these rules, which of course are arguably illegal anyway. No subpoena power or discovery. No force of law whatsoever. So it would require a leaker to bring the NCAA or whatever entities investigative team and sure, that could/would happen. Probably to MN.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
They’re under no obligation to share their financials with anyone except the IRS. I hear you, it would be nice if everyone played by the rules but there are literally no teeth behind these rules, which of course are arguably illegal anyway. No subpoena power or discovery. No force of law whatsoever. So it would require a leaker to bring the NCAA or whatever entities investigative team and sure, that could/would happen. Probably to MN.
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I hear you. That said it’s easy for us who get none of the money and take none of the risk saying don’t report it.
 

And what about the Student-Athlete aspect?

Will athletes be expected to attend class? Eventually, will there be an option for athletes to check a box and say "Yes, I will be attending class while playing my sport" or "No, I will not be attending class while playing my sport". That way, athletes that want to get a degree have that option, and those that don't want to be bothered going to class have that option too.
 




GopherJack said:
And what about the Student-Athlete aspect?

Will athletes be expected to attend class? Eventually, will there be an option for athletes to check a box and say "Yes, I will be attending class while playing my sport" or "No, I will not be attending class while playing my sport". That way, athletes that want to get a degree have that option, and those that don't want to be bothered going to class have that option too.
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"Having to attend class will negatively impact their earning potential as an athlete", is the argument I can see striking class attendance down. ;)
 


RememberMurray said:
Why should players settle for scraps when they are the backbone of a sport that takes in billions of dollars every year?

Should coaches, conference executives, media moguls, announcers, etc. all work for less money as well, or is it only the players that are 'overpaid', in your view?
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Because the vast majority of them haven’t even shown
GreasyGopher said:
What’s the industry standard for a college football player on the open market?
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like RememberMurray said. It’s whatever the next school is willing to offer. Until schools realize they are overpaying this won’t end.
 

CentralGopher said:
Because the vast majority of them haven’t even shown

like RememberMurray said. It’s whatever the next school is willing to offer. Until schools realize they are overpaying this won’t end.
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So it’s not at all like the general workplace…
 

Maybe the colleges need to impose the standards as my neighbors plant. Three “tardies” and you are fired. No excuses, be on time to keep your job. Might be a good lesson to the real world. Go to class or you are “fired”. Find another school.
 



Pompous Elitist said:
Who in their right mind is submitting these deals to the schools/CSC?

if it wasn’t happening already the CSC overreach will drive the market underground.
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What overreach?

There absolutely need to be rules and regulation of these fake "NIL" deals.
 

GopherGrit said:
What overreach?
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Private transactions for services provided. Then I suppose you’re going to tell me the school payments aren’t pay for play. That they’re not employees in every legal sense of the word. Because Jeffrey Kessler waved his hands and said so. Don't get me started on the House salary cap.

GopherGrit said:
There absolutely need to be rules and regulation of these fake "NIL" deals
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Fake? I suppose from a certain POV. Unrestrained, over the top spending is kind of the way the leisure class rolls. This is America. If they want to pay a player $2M to wax their car isn’t that perfectly analogous to every luxury product purchase, ever? They get to say to their beer buddies “hey, I spent $2M on this dude to wax my car” and they were suitably impressed. Well worth it.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Private transactions for services provided. Then I suppose you’re going to tell me the school payments aren’t pay for play. That they’re not employees in every legal sense of the word. Because Jeffrey Kessler waved his hands and said so. Don't get me started on the House salary cap.



Fake? I suppose from a certain POV. Unrestrained, over the top spending is kind of the way the leisure class rolls. This is America. If they want to pay a player $2M to wax their car isn’t that perfectly analogous to every luxury product purchase, ever? They get to say to their beer buddies “hey, I spent $2M on this dude to wax my car” and they were suitably impressed. Well worth it.
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What services? LOL

Absolutely fake: paying (far) above the going rate for a local celebrity to endorse your very much local product, is not genuine and needs to get rejected.


Of course players are not employees of schools. Schools don't send them W2's, don't provide them health insurance, etc. etc.

Schools pay players for the use of their NIL. That's the actual mechanism for how schools distribute House settlement money ("rev share").
 

GopherGrit said:
Yes, college football should and will have a CBA. Good!
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You talking it into existence isn't going to make it happen.

I'll bet you $100 that you'll be on you 1000th new moniker name, which is only like 994 more to go, and college football still won't have a CBA.

There is no reason for the players to accept one, and no way to force them to like the NFL does with it's players (hold outs).

Go ahead and keep your head in the sand though and just speak the truths that you want to see exist.
 

GopherGrit said:
Absolutely fake: paying (far) above the going rate for a local celebrity to endorse your very much local product, is not genuine and needs to get rejected.
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What's the going rate for something that hasn't been done before?
 



GopherTheJugular said:
What's the going rate for something that hasn't been done before?
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Local celebrities have never been paid to endorse a product locally within a market??

Nonsense


Ben Leber endorsing Walser Toyota is not going to be paid the same rate as Lebron James endorsing Nike.

Nor should he be!
 

GopherTheJugular said:
You talking it into existence isn't going to make it happen.

I'll bet you $100 that you'll be on you 1000th new moniker name, which is only like 994 more to go, and college football still won't have a CBA.

There is no reason for the players to accept one, and no way to force them to like the NFL does with it's players (hold outs).

Go ahead and keep your head in the sand though and just speak the truths that you want to see exist.
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Bold: again nonsense

Players will get a bigger slice of the revenue. That's always the prime reason for them to accept a (new) CBA.
 

Moreover, if the Big Ten and SEC join forces and split away from the NCAA, they cannot be sued under the context of anti-trust.

They aren't a monopoly on the market.

That will help quite a lot with rule enforcement.
 

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