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Bob_Loblaw said:
This idea that someone cannot consent because of various power dynamics is nonsense.
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Nonsense.

I doubt there's an organization in the western world that doesn't prohibit supervisor/subordinate relationships. Because the subordinate might not have the power to not consent.

It's clearly wrong.
 

Monopolies, oligarchs, and corrupt leadership is the US baseline today. Sad that people think that is the way forward even for our state beacon of higher education.
 

USAF said:
Nonsense.

I doubt there's an organization in the western world that doesn't prohibit supervisor/subordinate relationships. Because the subordinate might not have the power to not consent.

It's clearly wrong.
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I agree its wrong. No idea in this case who started it or whatever happened, but it obviously did not end well. And in my opinion I have no idea why anyone would think this is a good idea.
 

disco said:
If instead of the Wolverines, it would have been the Gophers who won the national title in 2023, in addition to having won three consecutive B1G titles in that time?

NGL, I think I would be fine with it.
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While I would like to believe that I have higher standards for myself and my team, the truth is that the Gophers winning a natty would almost certainly kill me, so I wouldn't ever have to deal with the fallout. So I say yes.
 


#2Gopher said:
I don't remember roughly how many she did, but it was FAR more than a couple papers. Haskins screwed up big time. Kids are were here to get an education. Think the parents like that for the most part?
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FIFY

(Actually, still probably not true for many)
 

Not a crime to have an affair. Your fired on the spot when the boss finds out because that is the workplace policy there. Just because he was an assistant during a national championship does not override the rules. Clearly he showed he is a natural born moron and coward. Don't need that at the facility. Looking past it because he might be a decent coach is absurd.
Michigan needs a full cleanup on Isle #1. Take their lumps for a couple years and rebuild ground up.
 

No. The basketball team has undergone almost three decades of futility after the Gangelgate scandal and subsequent sanctions. It has practically destroyed my interest in that sport. There are only a very small handful of programs in football and basketball that have the political power to overcome major scandal. MN is not one of them.
 

Panthadad2 said:
No. The basketball team has undergone almost three decades of futility after the Gangelgate scandal and subsequent sanctions. It has practically destroyed my interest in that sport. There are only a very small handful of programs in football and basketball that have the political power to overcome major scandal. MN is not one of them.
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Silly. Gangelgate isn't responsible for decades long futility. It's an ongoing incompetent/non caring admin. Sadly, that will never change in Minnesota

Anyone "voting" no on this topic is a liar or a fool
 



LesBolstad said:
Silly. Gangelgate isn't responsible for decades long futility. It's an ongoing incompetent/non caring admin. Sadly, that will never change in Minnesota

Anyone "voting" no on this topic is a liar or a fool
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Not a liar and not a fool, so fuck off.
 

LesBolstad said:
Anyone "voting" no on this topic is a liar or a fool
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That’s a stupid thing to say and insulting to the people of integrity here who take pride in The University, and that is not a lie.

But, I do respect you and your views on this board. And that is a lie.
 


Unregistered User said:
That’s a stupid thing to say and insulting to the people of integrity here who take pride in The University, and that is not a lie.

But, I do respect you and your views on this board. And that is a lie.
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I do wonder what the population of UMN grads are on this board. I suspect the serious variation in this question would correlate highly between people who graduated and those who like this program because it’s the biggest cfb program in the state.
 




LesBolstad said:
Silly. Gangelgate isn't responsible for decades long futility. It's an ongoing incompetent/non caring admin. Sadly, that will never change in Minnesota

Anyone "voting" no on this topic is a liar or a fool
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That's certainly a take.
 

USAF said:
Nonsense.

I doubt there's an organization in the western world that doesn't prohibit supervisor/subordinate relationships. Because the subordinate might not have the power to not consent.

It's clearly wrong.
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100% it's wrong. I never said it wasn't wrong. I saying it has no impact on consent.

You can have consensual sexual relationship with a supervisor and it's still wrong.
 


One time the basketball coach didn’t refill the gas tank. It made the news….sad reality of the gophers and the media.
 

LesBolstad said:
Silly. Gangelgate isn't responsible for decades long futility. It's an ongoing incompetent/non caring admin. Sadly, that will never change in Minnesota

Anyone "voting" no on this topic is a liar or a fool
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Good grief. Definitely not surprised by your response, though.
 



corcorangopher said:
Monopolies, oligarchs, and corrupt leadership is the US baseline today. Sad that people think that is the way forward even for our state beacon of higher education.
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The human brain is an incredible engine of rationalization of ends justifying the means. I’d wager there is high correlation between the “yes” posters” here with strident right or left political leanings. It’s tempting to see cheaters getting rewarded (like Michigan, or UNC, or XYZ or in business or life in general)) and just give up on trying to adhere to rules and code of conduct, ethics, morals. I see it in family and friends and it’s astonishing but nothing new in human behavior or history.

The OP:
At least I'm honest. I'm fairly impressed at how many others here are honest as well.
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As I said.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
The human brain is an incredible engine of rationalization of ends justifying the means. I’d wager there is high correlation between the “yes” posters” here with strident right or left political leanings. It’s tempting to see cheaters getting rewarded (like Michigan, or UNC, or XYZ or in business or life in general)) and just give up on trying to adhere to rules and code of conduct, ethics, morals. I see it in family and friends and it’s astonishing but nothing new in human behavior or history.

The OP:


As I said.
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I always wonder if the same posters that condone cheating/winning-at-all-costs also encourage their kids to cheat in school? Cheat on their boyfriends, girlfriends, spouses? Or if they coach youth sports do they cheat there too? Embezzle funds from their employer?
 

The current Michigan situation isn't "cheating" in the way stealing opponants' play calls is.
Or for that matter, the way Ganglegate was.
Moore cheated his family, and displayed zero integrity, but he didn't "cheat" the competition.
 

Word said:
I always wonder if the same posters that condone cheating/winning-at-all-costs also encourage their kids to cheat in school? Cheat on their boyfriends, girlfriends, spouses? Or if they coach youth sports do they cheat there too? Embezzle funds from their employer?
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I think at our base level, all people are good (sans people with debilitating mental illneses such as socio/psychopathy). Then circumstances or poor guidance/upbringing turn them into shittier versions of themselves, and that perpetuates generationally unless an outside factor enters and stops the cycle. It's why you see chronic domestic assault, for instance, occurring among certain families and not others. If you grow up seeing it, that's the norm/acceptable.
 

USAF said:
The current Michigan situation isn't "cheating" in the way stealing opponants' play calls is.
Or for that matter, the way Ganglegate was.
Moore cheated his family, and displayed zero integrity, but he didn't "cheat" the competition.
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It is 1) Moore’s association with Stallions and Harbaugh and the associated recruiting and play stealing, and 2) the pattern of lack of institutional control that kept him and others in their roles when they should’ve been out. If UM had stricter self oversight and swifter disciplinary action (I’m not only talking about Moore’s affair), maybe they wouldn’t have won as much as they did. It doesn’t matter whether the scandal has to do with on field play. If it keeps coaches or players on the field when they shouldn’t be, then the wins could be undeserved.
 

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