Two Schools Are Reportedly Considering Leaving The Big Ten

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Random Guy 12 said:
I've wondered for a long time about if/when the NCAA has run its course as the governing body for college football. It's turned into such an arms race and a cash grab. The B1G could just put up a fence basically and just say these are the rules we want to play by. Our players will be student athletes and we will compete against each other and not be minor league for the NFL. B1G 10 schools could play 10-12 conference games. Culminating in a B1G championship playoff. There would still be more than enough revenue for that product. It amounts to saying I'm taking my ball and going home. There's very little integrity left in this age of college football and if someone doesn't take a stand at some point it will be totally unrecognizable in the very near future. We know the SEC will never be the adults in the room. The B1G is the only other entity that would have the power to do anything.
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I wholeheartedly agree with your post but Pettiti (and others in decision-making positions) won’t garner a megabuck payday if the deal doesn’t go through.
 

FireDaveLee said:
So what are some solutions?

The thought of a short term pay for a percentage of revenue does not seem great on the surface. But the fact is suddenly departments now have a $20 million expense. Everyone screams when there's talk about cutting sports along with price increases with tickets, donation level, and hot dog prices at all venues. Meanwhile, the subject of Williams Arena won't go away. Perhaps a new TV rights deal can be scored in a few years when the current one expires, but that will just result in more of me seeing the guy in the red hat & jacket with his little time clock, which will probably only increase in the time that starts ticking down.

So what are the solutions? I will fully admit that I do not have them.
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I’d guess there is a barge load of fat on the department P&L. Coyle and his contemporaries have never had to make any hard decisions beyond how to spend all the excess revenue and hit up donors for even more. Money-losing sports do not need to have coaches (with no other comparable salary options) earning more than tenured professors. The football team does not need a charter bus size staff to function. What does Gerritt Chernoff do here? Honest question. I have no idea. I’d like to know his actual responsibilities and decisions the coaching staff is not making.

It can be done, with a little effort I’d like to think. Call in the Bobs.


This is outdated but informative. Chernoff is up over 400k, I believe..


 

MNVCGUY said:
The only real certainty in college athletics right now (at least as it pertains to basketball and football) is that the fans are the farthest thing from the minds of anyone involved in making the decisions. Has become completely about the $$$ which is a damn shame.
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I don't get this. The money comes from the fans. How can a business earn more by mistreating the source of its income?
 


Pompous Elitist said:
I’d guess there is a barge load of fat on the department P&L. Coyle and his contemporaries have never had to make any hard decisions beyond how to spend all the excess revenue and hit up donors for even more. Money-losing sports do not need to have coaches (with no other comparable salary options) earning more than tenured professors. The football team does not need a charter bus size staff to function. What does Gerritt Chernoff do here? Honest question. I have no idea. I’d like to know his actual responsibilities and decisions the coaching staff is not making.

It can be done, with a little effort I’d like to think. Call in the Bobs.


This is outdated but informative. Chernoff is up over 400k, I believe..


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Righteous bucks.
 



Random Guy 12 said:
I've wondered for a long time about if/when the NCAA has run its course as the governing body for college football. It's turned into such an arms race and a cash grab. The B1G could just put up a fence basically and just say these are the rules we want to play by. Our players will be student athletes and we will compete against each other and not be minor league for the NFL. B1G 10 schools could play 10-12 conference games. Culminating in a B1G championship playoff. There would still be more than enough revenue for that product. It amounts to saying I'm taking my ball and going home. There's very little integrity left in this age of college football and if someone doesn't take a stand at some point it will be totally unrecognizable in the very near future. We know the SEC will never be the adults in the room. The B1G is the only other entity that would have the power to do anything.
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The Ivy League already did this and they are still considered The Ivy League! It doesn't seem to have hurt them one bit.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
“According to reports, Michigan believes that the deal is essentially an unnecessary "payday loan" that would bail certain schools out for poorly managing their finances.”

Various leaks have indicated the PE scheme is intended to prevent OSU, Michigan, USC, PSU from buying out their Big Ten obligations to form a super league with SEC schools. The same leakers indicate Sankey and the SEC want no part of PE equity shares. Who knows what the real story is.

Under either scenario MN probably loses out, if the goal is maximizing revenue and profit. And that seems to be the goal. If the Big Ten signs on to this stupid deal then three or more tiers of revenue sharing with MN slotting in at the lower end.

The Big Ten has suffered under two suspect commissioners in a row. If school donors made their dismay known to certain people maybe it would help prevent this catastrophe from moving forward. Pettiti is a cancer that should be cut out.
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Hot takes and wild speculations. Posted this multiple times...Any "super league" will quickly revert back to the mean or become a league of parity. Someone has to lose games. They all can't continue to be helmet schools.
 






Pompous Elitist said:
I’d guess there is a barge load of fat on the department P&L. Coyle and his contemporaries have never had to make any hard decisions beyond how to spend all the excess revenue and hit up donors for even more. Money-losing sports do not need to have coaches (with no other comparable salary options) earning more than tenured professors. The football team does not need a charter bus size staff to function. What does Gerritt Chernoff do here? Honest question. I have no idea. I’d like to know his actual responsibilities and decisions the coaching staff is not making.

It can be done, with a little effort I’d like to think. Call in the Bobs.


This is outdated but informative. Chernoff is up over 400k, I believe..


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I believe he is the football teams GM.
 






PMWinSTP said:
It allows us to be able to watch every and any game we want, so why do you think that is sad?
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How about for starters the Gophers are getting ready to play in Eugene, OR on a Friday night instead of Champaign, IL on a Saturday.

There are now.17 teams Minnesota needs to be better than instead of 9 to win the Big 10.

All driven by TV bucks.
 

FanSinceTheFifties said:
TV pays for games because fans watch them. If fans don't like the product and don't watch, TV money will dry up.
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Alabama vs Texas, USC vs Michigan is now a conf game that could happen every other yr. Fans want to see those big games. Before, they'd only meet in a bowl game. I believe ratings are up for thoses types of games.
 

Ope3 said:
How about for starters the Gophers are getting ready to play in Eugene, OR on a Friday night instead of Champaign, IL on a Saturday.

There are now.17 teams Minnesota needs to be better than instead of 9 to win the Big 10.

All driven by TV bucks.
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I'd say 10 at the most, maybe still 9 (the 9 they play in the regular season and then the one they play in the B1G Championship Game)
 


Ski-U-Ham said:
I'd say 10 at the most, maybe still 9 (the 9 they play in the regular season and then the one they play in the B1G Championship Game)
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It's actually possible to have 3 unbeaten teams as #Some Guy has been quick to point out, so even 9-0 might not cut it for the Gophers to get to Indy.
 

Kitzmann57 said:
Alabama vs Texas, USC vs Michigan is now a conf game that could happen every other yr. Fans want to see those big games. Before, they'd only meet in a bowl game. I believe ratings are up for thoses types of games.
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For every USC vs Michigan game there's also a UCLA vs Rutgers.

It also means fewer Michigan vs Penn St as well as Little Brown Jug matchups.
 

PMWinSTP said:
It allows us to be able to watch every and any game we want, so why do you think that is sad?
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It’s sad in that any decisions aren’t made with the fans in mind. 6 day TV windows, I see the guy in the red hat more than I see the offense, Thursday games, Friday games. If we ever made a CFP run, game on the road, then at a bowl site, and then another bowl site.

Part of what makes college football what it is is the game day experience. Getting fans to games has become less of a priority than eyeballs watching. I find that sad…
 
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Ope3 said:
How about for starters the Gophers are getting ready to play in Eugene, OR on a Friday night instead of Champaign, IL on a Saturday.

There are now.17 teams Minnesota needs to be better than instead of 9 to win the Big 10.

All driven by TV bucks.
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You are obviously entitled to your opinion, if you think that's a bad thing.

But I don't see it any differently than the Vikings having to play out West a few games and having to play Thurs and Mon nights.
 

GopherGrit said:
You are obviously entitled to your opinion, if you think that's a bad thing.

But I don't see it any differently than the Vikings having to play out West a few games and having to play Thurs and Mon nights.
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I'm not a Vikings ticket holder so it for that alone the not playing on the "traditional" competition date (Sunday) in the NFL doesn't really bother me, at all. If I were, what would bug me is the Friday afternoon Christmas or the potential for a "home" game being moved to Dublin, London, Madrid etc.

What's is more "sad" is that now 2 of 9 Big 10 games won't be played on Saturday. That's a pretty substantial percentage, when it used to be 100% most seasons.

The sad part of now playing Oregon (or any of the 7 additions starting with Nebraska) is that previously, the Gophers would play all but 1 or 2 Conference teams. When it switched to Divisions, at least you then played everyone to identify in large part a winner. East-West was an additional improvement to at least play the 6 closest teams annually.

Now when identifying a Conference/Division-less Champion, without playing 8 of the teams it's just so nebulous. It's more about the CFP anyway instead of winning the Big 10 and getting to the Rose Bowl. I find all of that sad.

Meanwhile, when comparing to the Vikings to they still play all their Division rivals (not once but twice) as they compete to identify a NFC North winner and Playoff representative.
 

Ope3 said:
For every USC vs Michigan game there's also a UCLA vs Rutgers.

It also means fewer Michigan vs Penn St as well as Little Brown Jug matchups.
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Correct.
Zero lines within 4.5 today.

Only two lines within 10 and one is 3-6 vs 3-6
 

Some guy said:
Correct.
Zero lines within 4.5 today.

Only two lines within 10 and one is 3-6 vs 3-6
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Somehow there will be two 0-6 teams playing in the coveted 2:30 window on CBS this afternoon.

Uffda.
 

Ope3 said:
Somehow there will be two 0-6 teams playing in the coveted 2:30 window on CBS this afternoon.

Uffda.
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they have to go to scheduling round robins

The variance means we don’t have any of the teams that would be good TV playing each other at the end of the year.

The last 3 weeks combined have 5 games involving two teams both in the current top half of the conference.

One was last night
USC-Iowa
USC-Oregon
Iowa-Nebraska
Ohio state-Michigan


Just awful schedule.


I honestly think they need to add two more teams to the conference or subtract two.

18 is just too strange of a number to build a balanced schedule.
Don’t need divisions. But need divisional type schedule.
Easier to do at 20 or 16.
 

Some guy said:
they have to go to scheduling round robins

The variance means we don’t have any of the teams that would be good TV playing each other at the end of the year.

The last 3 weeks combined have 5 games involving two teams both in the current top half of the conference.

One was last night
USC-Iowa
USC-Oregon
Iowa-Nebraska
Ohio state-Michigan


Just awful schedule.


I honestly think they need to add two more teams to the conference or subtract two.

18 is just too strange of a number to build a balanced schedule.
Don’t need divisions. But need divisional type schedule.
Easier to do at 20 or 16.
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Shouldn't Michigan-Northwestern count in your list? Currently the Wildcats are tied for 9th, technically "top half".

But your greater point is valid. I suppose what will drive it is the viewership these games amongst also-rans garner with so little on the line down the stretch (in terms of CFP or Big 10 Championship).
 

Ope3 said:
Shouldn't Michigan-Northwestern count in your list? Currently the Wildcats are tied for 9th, technically "top half".

But your greater point is valid. I suppose what will drive it is the viewership these games amongst also-rans garner with so little on the line down the stretch (in terms of CFP or Big 10 Championship).
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I put the distinction at 8 because if you include 3-3 then the top half is actually 12 teams


Let’s talk top 6
Middle 6
Bottom 6

Top 6 the last 3 weeks combined
Oregon-USC
USC-Iowa
Ohio State-Michigan

middle 6 last 3 weeks combined
Minnesota-Northwestern
Washington-UCLA
Northwestern-Illinois


Like. There just aren’t competitive games in the top part of the conference.
I guess we get USC-UCLA 😂


So there aren’t big games
There aren’t close games


Just a mess



Better schedule
Go 3 groups:
UCLA-USC-Oregon-Nebraska-Iowa-Washington

Minnesota-Michigan state-Michigan-northwestern-Illinois-Wisconsin

Rutgers-Maryland-Penn State-Ohio state-Indiana-Purdue

Play your 5 plus two from the other divisions
Lock Michigan-Ohio state
Lock Minnesota-Iowa

Minnesotas schedule every year looks like:
Iowa-Michigan-Michigan state-Illinois-northwestern-wisconsin (home and home every 2 years)
One of Nebraska-USC-UCLA-Washington-Oregon (home and home every 10 years)
Two of Ohio state-Penn state-Maryland-Rutgers-Indiana-Purdue (home and home every 6 years).

Everyone except MN-Iowa-Ohio state-Michigan would play everyone home and home in 6 years.
Those 4 would take longer because of the one locked game.


Michigan would see the east coast teams slower
Ohio state would see the Midwest teams slower
Minnesota would see the west coast teams slower
Iowa would see the Midwest teams slower (but would play Nebraska and Minnesota every year)

Only team who doesn’t have a good schedule in that scenario is Iowa.


Would create much better matchups because those 3 groups would play each other. Guarantees the tops of those groups would see each other

They just need a scheduling model that structurally stratifies teams.

If the “flex protect” model does what it’s doing this year. 2028 will be the last year of it IMO

If ACC teams are added in 2032 they may do 4 more years of it knowing it has an end date. But if the conference is 18 moving forward they need to create a better schedule
 
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