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MaxyJR1 said:
They need to go back to the system of enrollment cutoffs and work with the schools that are eligible for the class. If that means 6A is 50 teams, so be it. 6A is actually the class that has the fewest two way players, yet they get the most rest around playoff time. Expand 6A or go back to six classes.

Hockey has 1 team going up to AA and 7 teams going down to A this cycle. They work off enrollments and there is no restriction on who you play.
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At one point classifications were determined so you never played a school more than double your size in football.
If that was how they did it now, the largest class would be 23

5a would be from park to CDH…61 schools

4a would be from Benilde to Milaca…75 schools. Cut 11 to get down to 64. Watertown Mayer is new cutoff

Below that it’s hard to do quickly because not everyone on the list plays football.


If you did it that way it would be pretty plain to see 6a should play 5a during the regular season
 

Ope3 said:
Accurate.
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It is, but Faribault has always had a pretty big first gen immigrant population. It used to be Hispanic. Now its more African.
 

disco said:
It is, but Faribault has always had a pretty big first gen immigrant population. It used to be Hispanic. Now its more African.
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Perhaps some Open Enrollment out impacts as well.
 

Ope3 said:
Perhaps some Open Enrollment out impacts as well.
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Could be. I have friends who live in Owatonna and send their kids to Medford. Plus Faribault has BA and to a lesser extent, SSM.
 




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Two of the 5a sections are absolutely awful.
The imbalance between the 6a sections is more than ever
 

Some guy said:
Officially posted now
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Two of the 5a sections are absolutely awful.
The imbalance between the 6a sections is more than ever
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5A sections are awful in what aspect? None of the schools are very strong?
 




Ope3 said:
Presumably Sec 1 - 5A will be:

Mayo
Century
JM
Owatonna
Northfield
New Prague
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Nailed it.

From a schedule standpoint it will mean 5 regular season games that count towards Section Standings & Seedings, instead of 4. That's a positive in my opinion as previously there were 4 games (half the schedule) that meant essentially nothing.

I suppose all games impact State Tournament Seeding for the section Champion.
 

Section 1AA got even more brutal!

Caledonia
Chatfield
Lourdes
Triton
St. Charles
Dover-Eyota
Rushford-Peterson

Wow... How many state titles the last 20 years combined there??
 




It would be interesting to see how these meeting are conducted. Are there minuets posted anywhere? It sure seems like there is some back scratching going on...

Class 1A is ridiculous and 9 man isn't to far behind... But they don't have an equal amount of teams to split it equally.

In 1A there are enough teams to have each section have 7 teams, and equal playoff system for each section. You have situations where teams meeting in the State tournament have had weeks of rest VS teams with none. I sketched out in 2 minuets a better geographical solution than that of what the MSHSL did, and all I did was count to 7 and try keep schools as close as I could.
 

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Ranger692 said:
It would be interesting to see how these meeting are conducted. Are there minuets posted anywhere? It sure seems like there is some back scratching going on...

Class 1A is ridiculous and 9 man isn't to far behind... But they don't have an equal amount of teams to split it equally.

In 1A there are enough teams to have each section have 7 teams, and equal playoff system for each section. You have situations where teams meeting in the State tournament have had weeks of rest VS teams with none. I sketched out in 2 minuets a better geographical solution than that of what the MSHSL did, and all I did was count to 7 and try keep schools as close as I could.
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That makes too much sense! They must not have anybody who knows math, geography/cartography on the committee.
They balanced all the other classes, so it really makes no sense to not have them balanced in Class A
 

Ranger692 said:
It would be interesting to see how these meeting are conducted. Are there minuets posted anywhere? It sure seems like there is some back scratching going on...

Class 1A is ridiculous and 9 man isn't to far behind... But they don't have an equal amount of teams to split it equally.

In 1A there are enough teams to have each section have 7 teams, and equal playoff system for each section. You have situations where teams meeting in the State tournament have had weeks of rest VS teams with none. I sketched out in 2 minuets a better geographical solution than that of what the MSHSL did, and all I did was count to 7 and try keep schools as close as I could.
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All meetings are public. Remember this is a six year cycle. Miniutes reflect great numbers of of moves to be within policy of 2 or 4 teams depending on the class.

Stewartville back up to 4A.
 


State of Football said:
All meetings are public. Remember this is a six year cycle. Miniutes reflect great numbers of of moves to be within policy of 2 or 4 teams depending on the class.

Stewartville back up to 4A.
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6 years, 10 years, in my Happy Gilmore voice who gives a ****

How is it that the split is an equal 50/50 of teams in 1A and 2A, but in 2A all sections have 7 teams and in 1A it's 3 sections of 6, 2 sections of 7 and 3 sections of 8?

What does you "policy of 2 or 4 teams" comment mean? It reads like 2 or 4 teams decide what's what
 

It's geography and I don't think its egregious in any way. Very little movement this year, but the next cycle will likely be big and possibly see some new formatting.
 


MaxyJR1 said:
It's geography and I don't think its egregious in any way. Very little movement this year, but the next cycle will likely be big and possibly see some new formatting.
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The egregious part is when it comes to playoffs and the 6 team section have top 2 seeds getting byes, while the 7 team sections have top team getting a bye and the sections with 8, 0 byes

I know there is talk of eliminating 7 and 8 seeds from playoffs but that gets back to why not just take top 32 teams and have a real tournament like other states
 

Ranger692 said:
The egregious part is when it comes to playoffs and the 6 team section have top 2 seeds getting byes, while the 7 team sections have top team getting a bye and the sections with 8, 0 byes

I know there is talk of eliminating 7 and 8 seeds from playoffs but that gets back to why not just take top 32 teams and have a real tournament like other states
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They want "State" to mean full coverage of state with representation for all regions. I think that is a good standard to have. They want teams ending season with a playoff game.

Byes get you an extra 3 days of rest.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Byes get you an extra 3 days of rest.
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Mike you made my point for me there...

In this format you have 3 sections awarding 2 byes, 2 sections with 1 bye and 3 sections 0, unless the sections do some petitioning to eliminate 7 and8 seeds where the MSHSL could have made it very simple by going with class 1A having 7 teams per section...

MSHSL seemed to be able to figure it out for class 2A but didn't care to do it for 1A?
 

MaxyJR1 said:
They want "State" to mean full coverage of state with representation for all regions. I think that is a good standard to have. They want teams ending season with a playoff game.

Byes get you an extra 3 days of rest.
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At that time of year, those three days are important. Playing Wednesday, Tuesday, Saturday is a whole lot different than playing Wednesday, Saturday. That's a big advantage to those teams who keep going.
 

GFBfan said:
At that time of year, those three days are important. Playing Wednesday, Tuesday, Saturday is a whole lot different than playing Wednesday, Saturday. That's a big advantage to those teams who keep going.
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I agree there is an advantage. 1 and 2 seeds advance in nearly every section and that isn’t going to change with equal rest. That brings us back to best solution is 9 game season and need a 5-4 record to make playoffs.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
I agree there is an advantage. 1 and 2 seeds advance in nearly every section and that isn’t going to change with equal rest. That brings us back to best solution is 9 game season and need a 5-4 record to make playoffs.
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Rest comes into play at state tournament level when some teams playd 4 games in 16 days, and others played there last 3 in 16 days
 

MaxyJR1 said:
I agree there is an advantage. 1 and 2 seeds advance in nearly every section and that isn’t going to change with equal rest. That brings us back to best solution is 9 game season and need a 5-4 record to make playoffs.
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Yup

And then you pick the number in each class (probably 32) and fill in the rest with under .500 teams


If we stay with this many classes.
Perhaps the playoff number is 24 not 32
 

Ranger692 said:
Rest comes into play at state tournament level when some teams playd 4 games in 16 days, and others played there last 3 in 16 days
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Would be interesting to see data on that. But normalized for seeding it would be hard to have data


The biggest deal is losing a key guy at a key spot

3 games = 3 chances for a major injury
4 games = 33% more opportunities to lose a key guy
 

MaxyJR1 said:
They want "State" to mean full coverage of state with representation for all regions. I think that is a good standard to have. They want teams ending season with a playoff game.

Byes get you an extra 3 days of rest.
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Bold: I'd prefer they scrap sections and take the top XX teams from the state, 1 guaranteed bid for each "geographic region" and then the top ranked X teams after that.

Seed the bracket, and play it as the state bracket. That's it

May never happen, but would be great to never have such a concept as sections again.
 


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