Paul Chryst out at wisconsin!

Well, that's true but Morgan is in no danger of being replaced. Obviously we couldn't say that about Chryst. The discontent with Chryst was occurring among people who mattered.

Very true... but those "people who matter" only matter until they screw up. When they do screw up, then they're gone, too — just like Paul Chryst.

And it looks like those "people who matter" in Madison might have just now 'screwed the pooch'.
 

People who can't wait to replace Paul Chryst remind me of people who can't wait to replace Tanner Morgan.
Your comments show you're very uneducated on the current state of the Badger football program. Not that I'd expect you to be an expert, but Chryst has been extremely slow to change to the current landscape of college football. He was forced to make big changes to his offensive coaching staff last year and it seems that you can change everything around the head ball coach but if he's unwilling to change, there's little chance for success. Most Wisconsin fans seem to like Paul and had little animosity towards him. They just seen the writing on the wall and with a top 3-5 coaching candidate already on staff, it was time to make a change. I also believe as more comes out, you'll hear it wasnt a straight firing. Paul still wants what is best for UW, Madison, and Wisconsin. The buyout being less is a good clue of that. And LOL to the Braelon Allen tweet. Was he going to say "great! Now I'll help us get more than 2 yards rushing!"?
 

Your comments show you're very uneducated on the current state of the Badger football program. Not that I'd expect you to be an expert, but Chryst has been extremely slow to change to the current landscape of college football. He was forced to make big changes to his offensive coaching staff last year and it seems that you can change everything around the head ball coach but if he's unwilling to change, there's little chance for success. Most Wisconsin fans seem to like Paul and had little animosity towards him. They just seen the writing on the wall and with a top 3-5 coaching candidate already on staff, it was time to make a change. I also believe as more comes out, you'll hear it wasnt a straight firing. Paul still wants what is best for UW, Madison, and Wisconsin. The buyout being less is a good clue of that. And LOL to the Braelon Allen tweet. Was he going to say "great! Now I'll help us get more than 2 yards rushing!"?

Are you a Badger fan?
 





Morgan and Chryst both will leave behind records that are objectively measurable. In both cases, their replacements must surpass those records in order to be considered more successful than their predecessors.
33-19 and 21-14. Chryst’s numbers since 2018 season. Pretty impressive at Wisconsin.
 

Very true... but those "people who matter" only matter until they screw up. When they do screw up, then they're gone, too — just like Paul Chryst.

And it looks like those "people who matter" in Madison might have just now 'screwed the pooch'.
So you think they’re going to hire somebody worse than Chryst? I hope you’re right, but I’m doubting it. What Chryst did 5, 6 and 7 years ago is irrelevant to what he’s done the last 4.5 years. If they get Leipold they’ve made an upgrade. Dave Doreen upgrade as well. Jim Leonard probably an upgrade.
 





So you think they’re going to hire somebody worse than Chryst? I hope you’re right, but I’m doubting it. What Chryst did 5, 6 and 7 years ago is irrelevant to what he’s done the last 4.5 years. If they get Leipold they’ve made an upgrade. Dave Doreen upgrade as well. Jim Leonard probably an upgrade.

I'm not sure why the things Chryst did 5, 6 or 7 years ago should now be "irrelevant", but — for analysis and reference — here is exactly what Chryst has done in the last "4.5 years":

2018: 8-5 (5-4) 2nd B1G West, W Pinstripe Bowl

2019: 10-4 (7-2) T 1st B1G West, L Rose Bowl

2020: 4-3 (3-3) 3rd B1G West, W Dukes Mayo Bowl

2021: 9-4 (6-3) T 2nd B1G West, W Las Vegas Bowl

2022: 2-3 (0-2)

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Totals in (somewhat arbitrary) 4.5 years: 33-19 record, 1 B1G West title, 3-1 bowl record.

So... there you have it. We've narrowed it to 4.5 years (for reasons unclear to me), and we now have a comparison baseline to go by.
 






Great observation. Spot on, Son. I feel as though I've seen this movie somewhere before.

10 wins per season isn't good enough, eh? I guess the Sconnies see themselves as being just like Ohio State.

As Son said, we'll see...
It's called Gopher Hog Day.
 

Chryst's early success largely came from prior coaches' recruits.
WI and Chryst started down the slippery slope in losing to a mediocre OR team in the Rose Bowl because of a lack of concentration and intensity.
Jonathon Taylor covered multiple of sins for three years.
MN fans should not be happy about this.
WI is not NE with dreams of national championships or fire the coach.
The program was close to permanent mediocrity.
Note to PJ: Start getting beefcakes OLs from the state of Wisconsin.
 

He left on his own, didn't like Wisconsin's admission standards and wanted to change the offense. I think he missed the West too.
Isn't he a devout Mormon too? A drinking school certainly does not go well.
 



I'm not sure why the things Chryst did 5, 6 or 7 years ago should now be "irrelevant", but — for analysis and reference — here is exactly what Chryst has done in the last "4.5 years":

2018: 8-5 (5-4) 2nd B1G West, W Pinstripe Bowl

2019: 10-4 (7-2) T 1st B1G West, L Rose Bowl

2020: 4-3 (3-3) 3rd B1G West, W Dukes Mayo Bowl

2021: 9-4 (6-3) T 2nd B1G West, W Las Vegas Bowl

2022: 2-3 (0-2)

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Totals in (somewhat arbitrary) 4.5 years: 33-19 record, 1 B1G West title, 3-1 bowl record.

So... there you have it. We've narrowed it to 4.5 years (for reasons unclear to me), and we now have a comparison baseline to go by.
Debating 101. Take a series of objective metrics. Then arbitrarily set a time horizon that is favorable to the point you want to make. Once you have done that, find a reason to not count any seasons that contradict your underlying point. Finally, declare yourself a genius because the arbitrary subset of your arbitrary time horizon says exactly what you wanted it to.
 

I think Bielema left for a bigger paycheck and also to have more money for assistants.
I still am not happy that he stole Frank Ragnow away from the Gophers at the last minute.
 


Some speculation out there that "regularly" losing to Minnesota, at least by recent historic standards, was part of the firing equation too...

Some deep psychological issues around where winning/losing to a particular team can be a driver in assessing HC performance...
 

I'm not sure why the things Chryst did 5, 6 or 7 years ago should now be "irrelevant", but — for analysis and reference — here is exactly what Chryst has done in the last "4.5 years":

2018: 8-5 (5-4) 2nd B1G West, W Pinstripe Bowl

2019: 10-4 (7-2) T 1st B1G West, L Rose Bowl

2020: 4-3 (3-3) 3rd B1G West, W Dukes Mayo Bowl

2021: 9-4 (6-3) T 2nd B1G West, W Las Vegas Bowl

2022: 2-3 (0-2)

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Totals in (somewhat arbitrary) 4.5 years: 33-19 record, 1 B1G West title, 3-1 bowl record.

So... there you have it. We've narrowed it to 4.5 years (for reasons unclear to me), and we now have a comparison baseline to go by.
Ok, let’s just look at after the Rose Bowl loss? Coaches get fired for their recent performance. You’re looking at what he did 5 plus years ago and ignoring that he’s been the worst coach at Wisconsin in the last 30 years over these past 4 and a half seasons. But for some reason you want to ignore that. Why? I don’t know.
 

Some speculation out there that "regularly" losing to Minnesota, at least by recent historic standards, was part of the firing equation too...

Some deep psychological issues around where winning/losing to a particular team can be a driver in assessing HC performance...
That's pretty normal, isn't it? Of his many strikes, Brewster going 0 for a lot in trophy games hurt. If we are consistently losing to Wisconsin and Iowa, that would be a significant knock against a coach with an otherwise solid record. Conversely, if a coach were struggling, I would consider it in litigation if, despite the struggles we consistently beat those two. Rivalry games matter.
 

Debating 101. Take a series of objective metrics. Then arbitrarily set a time horizon that is favorable to the point you want to make. Once you have done that, find a reason to not count any seasons that contradict your underlying point. Finally, declare yourself a genius because the arbitrary subset of your arbitrary time horizon says exactly what you wanted

Decision makers never look at recent performance when evaluating coaches, they always consider what they did 5 plus years ago. Yep, you are a genius. Congratulations. Lmao.
 

So you think they’re going to hire somebody worse than Chryst? I hope you’re right, but I’m doubting it. What Chryst did 5, 6 and 7 years ago is irrelevant to what he’s done the last 4.5 years. If they get Leipold they’ve made an upgrade. Dave Doreen upgrade as well. Jim Leonard probably an upgrade.

Whether they would be upgrades or not remains to be seen.

Doeren has an overall record of 68-50 and 34-41 in conference over 9 years + 5 games at NC State. He's never won more than 9 games there and has a 3-3 record in bowls. It's a decent record but probably one that may have gotten him fired at Wisconsin by now if the same standards applying to Chryst were applied to him. Doeren also coaches in North Carolina, an easier place to recruit athletes than the upper midwest. Under these circumstances, going to Wisconsin could be a dicey choice for him.

Leipold is more interesting. On the surface he looks like he could be a football coaching version of Bo Ryan with tremendous success for years at a Wisconsin D3 school. His overall record at Buffalo was only slightly above .500 but that's pretty good for a MAC team over 6 years. As far as Kansas, it's too early to call him a savior at that program. He's off to a 5-0 start (which looks fantastic compared to their recent history) but the record there is very short. Since he's a Wisconsin native, he may jump at the job.

Maybe Wisconsin will just go with Leonard. He at least has the NFL background.
 

OL going downhill is where is all starts. 2 yards rushing was the final straw. Leonhard would not be the best hire going from 1 alum to another IMO. I think they want to be in the Leipold battle and want to give Leonhard an audition as the inside guy.
 

Decision makers never look at recent performance when evaluating coaches, they always consider what they did 5 plus years ago. Yep, you are a genius. Congratulations. Lmao.

He never said that and his description of what you did was reasonably accurate. You can continue to be a jerk about it or you could just move on.
 





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