Your BT Rankings Week 5

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Boomtime said:
In this thread, it appears we have several posters who only look at results of year's past and parlay that into ranking things in the "here and now". We all know tOSU has been the dominant program for a very long time.

Our rankings are subjective, obviously, but I don't see how anyone can put tOSU at the top right now?

BTW: I'm not anti Fleck. I just question those who proclaim him the best thing since Murray Warmath. Fleck has brought exposure to this program that we haven't seen years, but his winning percentage in Year 4/5 is pretty blah. 2019 was great, but it looks to be an outlier.
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Got it. The entire year 2019 is an outlier but one game Ohio state played against Oregon isn’t and can’t be an outlier

flawless
 

Triple D said:
1) Ohio State
2) Penn State
3) Iowa
4) Michigan
5) Michigan State
6) Wisconsin
7) Nebraska
8) Minnesota - Move to 6 if Potts is not out long term
9) Indiana
10) Maryland
11) Purdue
12) Rutgers
13) Illinois
14) Northwestern
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Yeah. And I think Michigan is clear #4

then a big gap.
then 5-12 pretty interchangeable

All just a load of mediocrity
 

Holy shit this thread has turned into some stroke inducing material to read
 

Boomtime said:
Before reading the story about the 2016 Gophers, I thought Nebraska was the only school that fired a HC for winning nine games.

I was wrong.
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Whoops....got watch out for comments like these....they let your troll side shine through for everyone to see. "Before reading the story about the 2016 Gophers".....so you claim to be a Mason fan....so then you just checked out for the whole Kill/Claeys era before coming back to try and bash Fleck at every turn? I mean if you are gonna do the troll thing and assume a fake personality at least be careful not to make it super obvious to everyone that you don't really care about the program at all and are just here to try and tick people off.
 

Good discussion thread.

IMHO: you all provide great examples of WHY a head coach is responsible for every game he is the head coach from season one until he no longer is head coach.

Any head coach who cashes a paycheck for being the head coach claims credit for every win, loss, tie or game stricken from the record because of ncaa rules violations or penalizations for rules infractions. For any sport.

It is only in that way that a record means a damn thing.
 


MNVCGUY said:
Whoops....got watch out for comments like these....they let your troll side shine through for everyone to see. "Before reading the story about the 2016 Gophers".....so you claim to be a Mason fan....so then you just checked out for the whole Kill/Claeys era before coming back to try and bash Fleck at every turn? I mean if you are gonna do the troll thing and assume a fake personality at least be careful not to make it super obvious to everyone that you don't really care about the program at all and are just here to try and tick people off.
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Not trolling, but anyone with an ounce of objectivity would probably acknowledge that outside of 2019, PJ Fleck has been pretty average.

I guess my biggest concern with PJF is he's a self promoter when he doesn't need to be. Just win games and the rest takes care of itself.

Coyle invested a lot bringing him in. The ROI isn't looking all that great right now.

BTW: Jerry Kill was a pretty likeable guy. Everyone was rooting for him to succeed.

Bottom line...I don't buy what you're buying.
 

Boomtime said:
BTW: Jerry Kill was a pretty likeable guy. Everyone was rooting for him to succeed.
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Don't agree. He was equivalent or more so in hucksterism as Fleck. His gee whiz charlie brown good ole' Jer shtick was transparent. And then he played an even more boring brand of football, which is bonkers that that is even possible. Still rooted to succeed because Gophers but his likability wore thin fast.

In the end, he and Claeys were duds. But to focus on our current B1G power ranking, I have us about 9. Win at Neb would definitely improve that.
 

FormerFatOL said:
Are you REALLY rehashing the Claeys/Fleck issue? Jeebus.
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it's what he does, he continues to spin history of Claeys era, reasons for his firing, and team left behind
 

imthewalrus said:
Good discussion thread.

IMHO: you all provide great examples of WHY a head coach is responsible for every game he is the head coach from season one until he no longer is head coach.

Any head coach who cashes a paycheck for being the head coach claims credit for every win, loss, tie or game stricken from the record because of ncaa rules violations or penalizations for rules infractions. For any sport.

It is only in that way that a record means a damn thing.
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Not sure anyone is saying a coach shouldn't be accountable for their entire record. But it is also foolish to only judge coaches based only on their win/loss record and if you are going to put a ton of stock in that win/loss record there needs to be some common sense in how you look at it since all seasons are not created equal and do not provide the same reflection on a coach and what they are capable of.
 



Boomtime said:
Not trolling, but anyone with an ounce of objectivity would probably acknowledge that outside of 2019, PJ Fleck has been pretty average.

I guess my biggest concern with PJF is he's a self promoter when he doesn't need to be. Just win games and the rest takes care of itself.

Coyle invested a lot bringing him in. The ROI isn't looking all that great right now.

BTW: Jerry Kill was a pretty likeable guy. Everyone was rooting for him to succeed.

Bottom line...I don't buy what you're buying.
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So basically this is how you want to judge the Fleck era....toss out 2019 because apparently that one doesn't count and then just look at the returns from the following year:

2017 - transition year with a team that had a terrible QB situation
2018 - year 2 - Went to a bowl game
2019 - doesn't count in your mind
2020 - Covid year where everything was messed up for everyone
2021 - Not even half over, team currently over .500 with one bad loss but also 2 road wins.

Yep....your schtick makes perfect sense.....gonna go out on a limb and assume Coyle probably doesn't view the ROI from the Fleck era quite a negatively as you do.

Good times.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Not sure anyone is saying a coach shouldn't be accountable for their entire record. But it is also foolish to only judge coaches based only on their win/loss record and if you are going to put a ton of stock in that win/loss record there needs to be some common sense in how you look at it since all seasons are not created equal and do not provide the same reflection on a coach and what they are capable of.
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And: who determines which seasons are created more equal when the seasons are 10 to 30 to 50 years apart? What factor was involved for coaches who had to coach and recruit to only the damn dome? Just how… and whom gets to handicap this kind of crazy, fantasy way of looking at things? A coaching record is a coaching record. No more or no less. It is WHAT: it is. You can go ahead and fight and argue for who ever your current favorite coach is. But each coach has a record that stands alone. It is a unique and exact historical record.

I guess I don’t want to turn history into “fantasy” football.
Of course I’m only an old man and my history with Gopher Football has seen many coaches…many players. I guess that doesn’t matter any more.
 

MNVCGUY said:
So basically this is how you want to judge the Fleck era....toss out 2019 because apparently that one doesn't count and then just look at the returns from the following year:

2017 - transition year with a team that had a terrible QB situation
2018 - year 2 - Went to a bowl game
2019 - doesn't count in your mind
2020 - Covid year where everything was messed up for everyone
2021 - Not even half over, team currently over .500 with one bad loss but also 2 road wins.

Yep....your schtick makes perfect sense.....gonna go out on a limb and assume Coyle probably doesn't view the ROI from the Fleck era quite a negatively as you do.

Good times.
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Coyle has hitched his future to Fleck..football pays the bills.

No one is saying Fleck is operating on thin ice, but the "glow" is much dimmer with four of five seasons being average.

Don't be so offended by my opinions. I guess I'm in the minority with my POV.
 

  • At 4-1...can Maryland make a bowl?
  • Has Iowa still Ain’t Played Nobody?
  • How much does the Wisconsin defense hate the Wisconsin offense?
  • Seriously, how worrying is Wisconsin’s inability to run the ball against ranked teams?
  • Is Michigan good?
  • Illinois won a football game! Does it mean anything?
  • Have we finally located AIRBHG in the Twin Cities?
  • Is Jeff Brohm finally a true Big Ten coach who loses winnable games because his offense can’t find points even when they get inside the 40?
  • When will you accept that Ohio State is still winning the conference?
  • Is Indiana basically Wisconsin with a worse defense?
  • How cathartic was it for Scott Frost to empty the clip into Northwestern?
  • How mad will I be when Illinois loses the Hat game this year?
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Boomtime said:
Coyle has hitched his future to Fleck..football pays the bills.

No one is saying Fleck is operating on thin ice, but the "glow" is much dimmer with four of five seasons being average.

Don't be so offended by my opinions. I guess I'm in the minority with my POV.
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4 out of 5 huh....didn't realize the 2021 season was already over.....here I thought we still had at least 7 and potentially 8 or heck even 9 games left.

Your opinions don't offend me, they are far too humorous to be offensive. But hey at least you seem aware that your opinion is in the minority around here, that's a sign of growth, something you can build on.
 

Current opinions can only be verified in the fulness of time and with the luxury of the final record, Imho. Less than that, current opinion is limited to swings in mood, degrees of passion and current loyalty and current , unscientific public opinion polls, also imho…

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Some guy said:
Ohio state
Iowa
Penn state
Michigan

big gap

Michigan state
Minnesota
Purdue
Maryland
Rutgers
Wisconsin
Indiana

Small gap

Nebraska
Illinois
Northwestern


nobody in tier 1 loses to anyone in tier 2 or 3

tier 3 will finish with fewer than 5 combined wins against tier 2.
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2nd post of the thread.

I don’t change any rankings
 

btowngopher said:
Who you got number one now?
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tOSU. But you do understand why we debate this every week?

Pretty easy for you to second guess now, isn't it? It's like picking your lottery numbers right after the drawing.

Everyone knew the Iowa QB was dogshit. Until today, the Iowa defense covered for him.

I would have no issue dropping Iowa to 4th/5th after what they showed today.

The good news... the B1G West is now wide open.
 

Boomtime said:
tOSU. But you do understand why we debate this every week?

Pretty easy for you to second guess now, isn't it? It's like picking your lottery numbers right after the drawing.

Everyone knew the Iowa QB was dogshit. Until today, the Iowa defense covered for him.

I would have no issue dropping Iowa to 4th/5th after what they showed today.

The good news... the B1G West is now wide open.
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😂 what I don’t understand is how you thought it was impossible that anyone could think OSU was better last week.
 

It will be interesting to watch how GopherHolers rank their own team going forward.

After seeing the Gophers beat Purdue and Nebraska, and then watching Purdue dismantle Iowa, it's hard to say: who is the best in the West?
 

The Gophs win on the road vs. Purdue all of a sudden looks pretty damn solid.

The Purdue #5 DE made the Iowa O-line look slow. I don't recall noticing him much in the Goph game so kudos to the O-line.
 

Boomtime said:
Then this thread is meaningless. We're specifically talking results after five weeks.

You want to project out to seasonal results. That's fine, but has zero to do with how teams did in the specified period.

And you really think some here aren't ranking tOSU high because they want the Gopher loss to look better? Ohio State will probably lose to both Michigan and PSU. And if they don't, I fully expect to hear about it in November.
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The confidence you had in Iowa being better than OSU was hilarious. Especially loved your take that the only people giving OSU credit were doing so to make the loss to OSU look better, because they were Fleck apologists.
 

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