After Gophers’ brutal loss, P.J. Fleck finds therapy and players have ‘heart-to-heart’ talk

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per Greder:

“I feel as if the team has made a decision,” defensive lineman Boye Mafe said. “I mean we came in on Sunday and we had a talk. We really sat down and said we have to make a decision, this is going into Big Ten play, this coming off our loss in out-of-conference game … We have to. We know last week wasn’t good enough. We know as a team that we did not play to our best capability.

Defensive end Thomas Rush called it a “pretty heart-to-heart conversation” and said, “we just wanted to make sure that guys know that you can’t be too low now.”

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After Gophers’ brutal loss, P.J. Fleck finds therapy and players have ‘heart-to-heart’ talk

After the Gophers’ upset loss to Bowling Green last Saturday, the coach’s KFAN radio show was like going to therapy.
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BleedGopher said:
per Greder:

“I feel as if the team has made a decision,” defensive lineman Boye Mafe said. “I mean we came in on Sunday and we had a talk. We really sat down and said we have to make a decision, this is going into Big Ten play, this coming off our loss in out-of-conference game … We have to. We know last week wasn’t good enough. We know as a team that we did not play to our best capability.

Defensive end Thomas Rush called it a “pretty heart-to-heart conversation” and said, “we just wanted to make sure that guys know that you can’t be too low now.”

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After Gophers’ brutal loss, P.J. Fleck finds therapy and players have ‘heart-to-heart’ talk

After the Gophers’ upset loss to Bowling Green last Saturday, the coach’s KFAN radio show was like going to therapy.
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Did he have head to head conversation with his coaching staffs? That's the question I would like to ask. . Or is this group of coaches slowly turning themselves into the guys in Nebraska. Some of the answers they give out are very embarrassing to listen to.
 


BoatRacer said:
Did he have head to head conversation with his coaching staffs? That's the question I would like to ask. . Or is this group of coaches slowly turning themselves into the guys in Nebraska. Some of the answers they give out are very embarrassing to listen to.
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Nah, he probably shook their hands after the game and said I’ll see ya’ll next Saturday.
 

From the article..... "It’s not acceptable, but the word ‘embarrassing,’ I’m not going to use,” Fleck said. “That takes away from the accomplishments of Bowling Green.”

Is his job now to make Bowling Green players feel better???? Who is paying his salary????
 


GoldGoldGold said:
From the article..... "It’s not acceptable, but the word ‘embarrassing,’ I’m not going to use,” Fleck said. “That takes away from the accomplishments of Bowling Green.”

Is his job now to make Bowling Green players feel better???? Who is paying his salary????
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Neither, he is downplaying the tremendous upset by trying to slip in some praise for the team that beat them.
He is saying BG was far better than their record or what the "experts" and bettors thought of them.
 

GoldGoldGold said:
From the article..... "It’s not acceptable, but the word ‘embarrassing,’ I’m not going to use,” Fleck said. “That takes away from the accomplishments of Bowling Green.”

Is his job now to make Bowling Green players feel better???? Who is paying his salary????
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It's called being respectful in defeat.
 

GoldGoldGold said:
From the article..... "It’s not acceptable, but the word ‘embarrassing,’ I’m not going to use,” Fleck said. “That takes away from the accomplishments of Bowling Green.”

Is his job now to make Bowling Green players feel better???? Who is paying his salary????
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Nobody gets hurt if he says something nice about BG.
 

Lover boy, who's paying his salary, and other comments like this that will occur on this thread are pretty dumb. Also a poor reflection on the person making the comments. Then again those people won't understand so I'll get blasted for it.
 






I still get..... what's the word... impressed. I still get impressed by the number of people on this forum who hate what PJ say, then get upset, frustrated, bemused, by what PJ says, and then come on here to complain about it with some angle that PJ is doing something SO wrong that it needs to be brought to greater attention.

PJ says a good things about Bowling Green.
-He's trying to make BG sound like they are really good so PJ's loss doesn't seem as bad.
-Why is he comforting BG's players? Isn't he OUR COACH? Why is he wasting his time that could be spent drawing up better offensive plays or firing bad coordinators!
-It seems like PJ was so impressed by BG that he forgot to coach our own players!
-Maybe PJ is just trying to win the USC job by how he says that!


Yet, the answer seldom is "Well, PJ's paying respect to a team. He respects other coaches and is a very professional coach himself, thus the way he speaks".

It's stuff very similar to what my septuagenarian mother would say on a phone call with me.
 




Face The Facts said:
I still get..... what's the word... impressed. I still get impressed by the number of people on this forum who hate what PJ say, then get upset, frustrated, bemused, by what PJ says, and then come on here to complain about it with some angle that PJ is doing something SO wrong that it needs to be brought to greater attention.

PJ says a good things about Bowling Green.
-He's trying to make BG sound like they are really good so PJ's loss doesn't seem as bad.
-Why is he comforting BG's players? Isn't he OUR COACH? Why is he wasting his time that could be spent drawing up better offensive plays or firing bad coordinators!
-It seems like PJ was so impressed by BG that he forgot to coach our own players!
-Maybe PJ is just trying to win the USC job by how he says that!


Yet, the answer seldom is "Well, PJ's paying respect to a team. He respects other coaches and is a very professional coach himself, thus the way he speaks".

It's stuff very similar to what my septuagenarian mother would say on a phone call with me.
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I think there were people above who said what you stated. Opinions are great, some are just smarter than others. There is nothing wrong with complimenting an opponent or showing respect to an opponent. Win with class, lose with class.

Taking someone else down leaves you in the same relative position so it is less than pointless to do so.
 

As far as the article, claiming that Fleck doing his radio show is "Therapy" is pretty laughable.

It's not like Grimm and Gaard are peppering Fleck with tough questions. I listened to last week's show and I don't think the subject of play-calling even came up, or not even a pro-forma question about "are you happy with your OC?"

Honestly, I think you could take any two Gopher Hole posters at random and they could do just as good if not a better job of hosting the show.
 

#2Gopher said:
Lover boy, who's paying his salary, and other comments like this that will occur on this thread are pretty dumb. Also a poor reflection on the person making the comments. Then again those people won't understand so I'll get blasted for it.
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Honestly can't blast you for this take because I can't make heads or tails of it.....so I guess I fall in the can't understand your take but will choose not to blast you for it :)
 

Face The Facts said:
I still get..... what's the word... impressed. I still get impressed by the number of people on this forum who hate what PJ say, then get upset, frustrated, bemused, by what PJ says, and then come on here to complain about it with some angle that PJ is doing something SO wrong that it needs to be brought to greater attention.

PJ says a good things about Bowling Green.
-He's trying to make BG sound like they are really good so PJ's loss doesn't seem as bad.
-Why is he comforting BG's players? Isn't he OUR COACH? Why is he wasting his time that could be spent drawing up better offensive plays or firing bad coordinators!
-It seems like PJ was so impressed by BG that he forgot to coach our own players!
-Maybe PJ is just trying to win the USC job by how he says that!


Yet, the answer seldom is "Well, PJ's paying respect to a team. He respects other coaches and is a very professional coach himself, thus the way he speaks".

It's stuff very similar to what my septuagenarian mother would say on a phone call with me.
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Well said. There are a handful of posters that are going to get offended no matter what is said because that is just the way they are wired. They bristle when Fleck speaks so it really doesn't matter what he says or how he says it, they are going to hate it no matter what.
 

Fleck lost the game for Minnesota on that 4th and 1 call from their own 29 yard line, there's no doubt about it. They're up 10-0 in the 3rd quarter if he just punts there, maybe more. Bowling Green wasn't going to score in that game, and if they did it's 7 points. Maybe Fleck punts instead of going for the long field goal if they're up 10-0 or more.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Well said. There are a handful of posters that are going to get offended no matter what is said because that is just the way they are wired. They bristle when Fleck speaks so it really doesn't matter what he says or how he says it, they are going to hate it no matter what.
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+1

The problem is not what Fleck is saying or how he is saying it. The problem is the performance of him and his staff at BG. They put together an awful game plan, and failed to make any positive or meaningful adjustments resulting in a loss to an inferior team that should not have been able to beat us. The staff failed in that game badly, and there is not a good excuse for why they performed the way that did. Accordingly, any description of what went wrong is going to sound stupid. But the failure is actually the underlying bad decisions, and not the way they are describing those decisions.
 

There are a few unbelievably stupid people posting in this thread - once again the ones who only show up after losses or "moral defeats" - unfortunately they're not intelligent enough to know who they are. If you know, though, you know.
 


bleedsmaroonandgold said:
+1

The problem is not what Fleck is saying or how he is saying it. The problem is the performance of him and his staff at BG. They put together an awful game plan, and failed to make any positive or meaningful adjustments resulting in a loss to an inferior team that should not have been able to beat us. The staff failed in that game badly, and there is not a good excuse for why they performed the way that did. Accordingly, any description of what went wrong is going to sound stupid. But the failure is actually the underlying bad decisions, and not the way they are describing those decisions.
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PJ and Sanford Jr made major coaching blunders. PJ and Sanford Jr did horrible game-planning then gambled with wreckless abandon and gave away the game.

Who is responsible for getting the Wide Receivers and TEs in sync with TM?

The coaches are not in sync. Game-planning was horrible. It was like they took BGSU for granted after shutting out Colorado. Does the team know what its identity is? Co-Offensive Coordinators got you this stinking Offense. What was PJ thinking? Two heads are not better than one. IMHO, it is clear that Sanford Jr has to go.
 

hungan1 said:
PJ and Sanford Jr made major coaching blunders. PJ and Sanford Jr did horrible game-planning then gambled with wreckless abandon and gave away the game.

Who is responsible for getting the Wide Receivers and TEs in sync with TM?

The coaches are not in sync. Game-planning was horrible. It was like they took BGSU for granted after shutting out Colorado. Does the team know what its identity is? Co-Offensive Coordinators got you this stinking Offense. What was PJ thinking? Two heads are not better than one. IMHO, it is clear that Sanford Jr has to go.
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I'm leaning toward a change in OC. We'll see if tomorrow changes my mind.
 


GoldGoldGold said:
Is his job now to make Bowling Green players feel better???? Who is paying his salary????
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It's called sportsmanship and diplomacy. Coaches like Chris Holtmann have that. Coaches like Harbaugh don't. Auburn QB Bo Nix also had that after the Outback Bowl. Invited by the press to comment on the things his team did badly, he instead spoke up about how good Minnesota was that day.
 

#2Gopher said:
Lover boy, who's paying his salary, and other comments like this that will occur on this thread are pretty dumb. Also a poor reflection on the person making the comments. Then again those people won't understand so I'll get blasted for it.
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Why would you be concerned about that? The best tactic is what you've done: preemptively blast them.
 

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