What is Maturi's Legacy? (Fair and Balanced)

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I'm looking for other's opinions, but I'll get it started.

THE GOOD:

I'm very appreciative that Maturi was able to "successfully" merge the Men's and Women's athletic departments. The greatest byproduct of that being the end of the Chris Voelz era.

He needs to be commended for getting TCF Bank Stadium built.

No major infractions under his supervision is a huge deal...especially after what had just happened.

Made himself accessible.

THE BAD:

Personally, I don't feel like he ever "got it". That unfortunately sums it up.

More specifically, his penchant for the non-revenue sports was frustrating. He was a great cheerleader, but seemed to lack that competitive spirit and/or drive to make the revenue sports significant.

He simply never understood the power of marketing.

Wasting MILLIONS on the extend/fires as well as the lawsuits.

Tim Brewster.
 


The one negative that people will really remember is the Brewster era. If Kill does well, the Brewster era would be remembered as a speed bump. I know some people want the non-revenue sports gutted, but I don't think the next AD is going to do that, and few people are going to see the non-revenue sports as a black mark on the resume.
 

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His legacy is he was the first Minnesota AD in an era when message board boobs can constantly take shots at the AD for all the world to see.
 


Joel Maturi is the best AD since the Gopher football team last one a Big 10 Championship.

The U's Athletics Director does not have the authority to eliminate or de-emphasize non-revenue sports. There are far too many influential women and non-revenue sports alumni and fans who stand ready to prevent that from happening.

The decisions to give contract extensions to and then fire Mason and Munson were more on Bob Bruininks then Maturi. Bruininks was a micro-manager and the ultimate authority for every major Athletics Department issue and decision while he was the U's president.

The criticism of Maturi for the lack of success in basketball and hockey is totally unwarranted. Tubby and Lucia deserve 100% of the blame.

Maturi deserves the large majority of credit for the final design of TCF Bank Stadium. I have never met a Gopher fan who doesn't absolutely love the stadium in almost every possible way.

Maturi deserves most of the credit for the successful merging of the Men's and Women's Athletic's Departments after the absolutely disastrous situation that existed before he was hired.

Maturi swung and missed on the Brewster hire. It will follow him to his grave.

Any criticism for the Athletics Department's lack of success in fundraising is more the fault of the U's alumni associations than Maturi.

The hiring of Jerry Kill could turn out to be one of the best AD hires since Herb Brooks and Murray Warmath and Maturi will deserve almost all of the credit for it.
 

I can't get past the fact that Maturi hired Brewster as a head coach. He had no head coaching or coordinator experience at all. We are a big ten team...not a big sky team. Hind sight is 20-20 but when you make a decison that far out of bounds...Maturi impressed me as a nice person who cared a lot about the University but I am glad we are getting a new AD. He did accomplish some good things...the football stadium is the highlight. I am glad that he was an advocate for the smaller sports. I think the smaller sports are so beneficial to the kids that participate in them. Its part of what makes the college experience great...and it should not always be about money. The final chapter in this book is not written...hopefully it will have a good ending.(Rose Bowl Coach Kill?)
 

The boathouse was Title IX compliance on the cheap. I doubt more than a handful of people are will be shaking their fists at Maturi over the boathouse. And as far as the baseball stadium, enough funds have apparently been raised so that construction may begin this spring. http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_19799845
 

Go4Broke said:
Joel Maturi is the best AD since the Gopher football team last one a Big 10 Championship.

The U's Athletics Director does not have the authority to eliminate or de-emphasize non-revenue sports. There are far too many influential women and non-revenue sports alumni and fans who stand ready to prevent that from happening.

The decisions to give contract extensions to and then fire Mason and Munson were more on Bob Bruininks then Maturi. Bruininks was a micro-manager and the ultimate authority for every major Athletics Department issue and decision while he was the U's president.

The criticism of Maturi for the lack of success in basketball and hockey is totally unwarranted. Tubby and Lucia deserve 100% of the blame.

Maturi deserves the large majority of credit for the final design of TCF Bank Stadium. I have never met a Gopher fan who doesn't absolutely love the stadium in almost every possible way.

Maturi deserves most of the credit for the successful merging of the Men's and Women's Athletic's Departments after the absolutely disastrous situation that existed before he was hired.

Maturi swung and missed on the Brewster hire. It will follow him to his grave.

Any criticism for the Athletics Department's lack of success in fundraising is more the fault of the U's alumni associations than Maturi.
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Thanks for coming to visit today Joel.
Let me get this straight...it's everybody else's fault. That would have saved you some typing.
 



Holy crap.

Go4Broke said:
Joel Maturi is the best AD since the Gopher football team last one a Big 10 Championship.

Not even close, possibly as or more damaging to the dept as the move to the metrodome or the Ganglhoff scandal

The U's Athletics Director does not have the authority to eliminate or de-emphasize non-revenue sports. There are far too many influential women and non-revenue sports alumni and fans who stand ready to prevent that from happening.

Noone needs to do that, simply do not EMPHASIZE it in the face of brutal revenue sports critics. AKA volleyball winning does not make football losing better

The decisions to give contract extensions to and then fire Mason and Munson were more on Bob Bruininks then Maturi. Bruininks was a micro-manager and the ultimate authority for every major Athletics Department issue and decision while he was the U's president.
Then he quite literally should have put his neck on the line for the right decision. The lack of a spine when it came to dealing with the administration was his worst trait. He stood for nothing when it came to tough decisions.

The criticism of Maturi for the lack of success in basketball and hockey is totally unwarranted. Tubby and Lucia deserve 100% of the blame.

Possibly, the suspension of Mbakwe his first year here was minor league stuff, as was his handling of Royce White. Those two players being suspended likely cost the U a nice NCAA run, IMO

Maturi deserves the large majority of credit for the final design of TCF Bank Stadium. I have never met a Gopher fan who doesn't absolutely love the stadium in almost every possible way.

Plenty of people worked hard to get the stadium, he gets credit, but not all of it. He also absolutely botched the gameday experience from the first game, and did nothing to rectify it since then. The lack of marketing and vision to expand the fanbase through the stadium simply didn't jibe with his bean counting, as a result next season will see horrible attendance.

Maturi deserves most of the credit for the successful merging of the Men's and Women's Athletic's Departments after the absolutely disastrous situation that existed before he was hired.

Common sense. I realize the politics involved, but he gets credit for doing his job.

Maturi swung and missed on the Brewster hire. It will follow him to his grave.

Yes, and this ALONE should have gotten him fired, not to mention the countless other failures

Any criticism for the Athletics Department's lack of success in fundraising is more the fault of the U's alumni associations than Maturi.

No. He is an underwhelming personality with a track record of infuriating athletics decisions here. Any alum worth a damn would tell him to go to hell when he comes asking for money, or stipulate he resign in order to secure the donation.
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Noone needs to do that, simply do not EMPHASIZE it in the face of brutal revenue sports critics. AKA volleyball winning does not make football losing better
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What does "do not emphasize it" even mean?
 





As far as the Brewster hiring, here's what I think happened. Joel is a very positive person by nature - show him a cloud, and he'll look for the silver lining. I think he sat down with Brewster, got a full load of Brewster's rah-rah BS, and Joel thought he'd discovered a kindred spirit. Unfortunately, there was no one involved in the decision-making process who could provide a reality check, as in "hey, this guy has never been a HC or a coordinator."

Overall, he gets points for running a clean program, and for promoting the non-revenue sports. I'm sure those coaches and athletes love the guy. Joel loses points for some of the personnel decisions, especially the extension-followed-by-firing trend that cost the U big money for FB and men's BB.
 

With Brewster, he took a gamble that recruiting would pay off. If the gamble had worked, Maturi would have looked good. The gamble failed, so Maturi rightly takes the blame for it. His mistake was not seeing that Brewster didn't have a vision for what he wanted to do.
 

I think Maturi's legacy is the same as a lot of people in figure head positions- depends on who you ask.
 

RodentRampage said:
What does "do not emphasize it" even mean?
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It means that when someone questions you on why the football program is in the tank, and the basketball and hockey programs aren't living up to expectations (granted, hockey is very good this year), don't spew a bunch of garbage about the Director's Cup, or that the track team won the Big Ten. The fact is, very few people care about the non-revenue sports.
 

discochris said:
It means that when someone questions you on why the football program is in the tank, and the basketball and hockey programs aren't living up to expectations (granted, hockey is very good this year), don't spew a bunch of garbage about the Director's Cup, or that the track team won the Big Ten. The fact is, very few people care about the non-revenue sports.
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More people care about the non-revenue sports than flip out because the AD mentions the non-revenue sports.
 


Again Brewster was the "Mason average" 3-5 in 2 of his 3 full seasons and in 2 of his 4 seasons overall. I don't know where people get the idea that Brewster was a massive failure along the lines of a Les Steckel.
 

I am far from a Maturi fan, but it's not like our football and basketball teams were really that much worse than what we've seen the last several decades. He definitely made some mistakes, and maybe he was responsible for our sub-par performance but I certainly don't solely blame him. I wish him the best and hope the next guy (or gal) makes him look really bad.
 

EG#9 said:
Again Brewster was the "Mason average" 3-5 in 2 of his 3 full seasons and in 2 of his 4 seasons overall. I don't know where people get the idea that Brewster was a massive failure along the lines of a Les Steckel.
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+1 Brewsters main issue was the revolving coordinator issue. Though I agree that change from Brewster became necessary, he wasn't as horrible as some have made him out to be.

Same with Maturi.

TCF IMO will be his legacy. Maturi was far from perfect, but man did we need TCF.
 

EG#9 said:
Again Brewster was the "Mason average" 3-5 in 2 of his 3 full seasons and in 2 of his 4 seasons overall. I don't know where people get the idea that Brewster was a massive failure along the lines of a Les Steckel.
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He freaking went 0-8 in Big Ten play in his first season. He was DEAD MEAT as a result of that. It is a crime punishable by firing to go "ZERO" for any Big Ten season. He had also lost his team and was "ZERO" for the 2010 Big Ten season when he got his butt kicked out the door. NO mercy for him or prexy b or b(s)jm. They led the Gophers through a ZERO win Big Ten season. THAT was their sin. And, they hosed-up the opening of the stadium. They had NO CLUE what to do with that beautiful new house by having an incompetent and inexperienced football coach in place...

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imthewalrus said:
He freaking went 0-8 in Big Ten play in his first season. He was DEAD MEAT as a result of that. It is a crime punishable by firing to go "ZERO" for any Big Ten season. He had also lost his team and was "ZERO" for the 2010 Big Ten season when he got his butt kicked out the door. NO mercy for him or prexy b or b(s)jm. They led the Gophers through a ZERO win Big Ten season. THAT was their sin. And, they uined the opening of the stadium. They had NO CLUE what to do with that beautiful new house...

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You mad, bro?
 


His legacy is 28 Big Ten wins and 52 Big Ten losses in the ten seasons he was in charge of naming the football coach for the University of Minnesota. He had the ability and the authority to hire and fire and he produced at a .350 winning rate in Big Ten play. He was in charge of a program with a .650 LOSING rate in Big Ten play.

It IS what it is.That is NOT enough calgoph and selection sunday. The coaches who produced those numbers were fired. b(s)jm was NOT. That was an outrage. prexy b. was at fault for that outrage. But, as usual, the guilty party just gets paid off in the end.

You can defend and make excuses all you want...but...a .350 Big Ten winning percentage is NOT good enough...

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imthewalrus said:
His legacy is 28 Big Ten wins and 52 Big Ten losses in the ten seasons he was in charge of naming the football coach for the University of Minnesota. He had the ability and the authority to hire and fire and he produced at a .350 winning rate in Big Ten play. He was in charge of a program with a .650 LOSING rate in Big Ten play.

It IS what it is.That is NOT enough calgoph and selection sunday. The coaches who produced those numbers were fired. b(s)jm was NOT. That was an outrage. prexy b. was at fault for that outrage. But, as usual, the guilty party just gets paid off in the end.

You can defend and make excuses all you want...but...a .350 Big Ten winning percentage is NOT good enough...

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So a .350 winning percentage is worthy of getting someone tarred and feathered but a .400 winning percentage is worthy of unending praise?
 

imthewalrus said:
His legacy is 28 Big Ten wins and 52 Big Ten losses in the ten seasons he was in charge of naming the football coach for the University of Minnesota. He had the ability and the authority to hire and fire and he produced at a .350 winning rate in Big Ten play. He was in charge of a program with a .650 LOSING rate in Big Ten play.

It IS what it is.That is NOT enough calgoph and selection sunday. The coaches who produced those numbers were fired. b(s)jm was NOT. That was an outrage. prexy b. was at fault for that outrage. But, as usual, the guilty party just gets paid off in the end.

You can defend and make excuses all you want...but...a .350 Big Ten winning percentage is NOT good enough...

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Your mad, bro.
 

Yeah ron johnson super fan. When an ad fires a sub-standard coach like Mason who had a .40 winning percentage in Big Ten play and then follows that up with one who promptly goes 0-8 in Big Ten play and eventually is fired mid-season when the "replacement coach" has compiled a 6-21 Big Ten record (.222) that ad ought to be run out of town in the dead of night. Time will tell if macturi's final hire will reach the .400 winning percentage on a sustained level. Until he achieves that, obviously, the jury is still out on how well he will do. I hope he flies past Mason's .400 Big Ten winning percentage. So far, he is 2-6 and that is a .250 winning percentage. Good luck Coach Kill...win a LOT of Big Ten Football games. They only happen one at a time and there are only 8 chances in a season. So far, a .400 mark is the high water mark here in recent history. That proved to be "not good enough..." macturi should have been fired LONG ago. It is long passed the point in time when he should have been fired... ; 0 )

But, I am here to "bury" the nightmare of the macturi era...That is ALL I have to say. Some of you people can try to "say" what you would like others to think I would "say" about the situation...the Big Ten football record is what got macturi in the end...that, and the fact that he is 67 years old and he needed to be shown the door...

That's all fans...that's all I have to say for this lovely evening. Good night ron johnson super fan where ever you may be...

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