Gophers QB Drake Lindsey Arrested on Underage Drinking, Fake ID Charges

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FireDaveLee said:
I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a California drivers license that said I was from LaJolla, CA prior to my 21st.....

So what should be the proper punishment? Going easy may set a bad example; going hard may not fit the crime. I'll hang up & listen......
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Community service.
 

MNfootballfan said:
I have no idea, but would assume he is 100% online... if he is worried about classes. I would assume he plans his trips home around the football calendar. Guessing it is a pretty light week with the team being they just had the spring game.

Underage consumption and a fake ID = getting arrested? Odd.

When was the last time someone got in trouble under PJ?
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Bryce Williams?
 

GoGophersUMN said:
Fleck's made a big deal about the culture and the expectations he holds the team to off the field. That makes it harder to brush it under the rug and give him a meaningless punishment. If you make him run a couple of extra laps and he starts the first game next season it's hard to keep selling the story that your culture is different from everyone else.

I'm sure 90% of the team has done something similar but most of them don't get caught. Doing this in a city where a lot of people are mad at you and there's an incentive to make you look bad was a particularly poor choice.
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I know football fans, particularly SEC fans, are not the most rational people on the planet but why would anyone in Fayetteville be mad at Lindsay? He committed to Minnesota without being recruited by the Hogs.
 

mngg11 said:
I'm not sure they can even define discretion because Arkansas is another state where you only need a GED to qualify for the job. If Drake was being a douche he deserved it, but if this was anything else it was unnecessary.
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Don't nearly all cops wear bodycams now? If so the footage is bound to surface eventually. PJ would be wise to wait & see. If Drake was a douche or belligerent then he should sit a quarter or half against Eastern Illinois cause that's not what a team leader ought to be. If he was chill and they wanted to make an example of him for having a beer on the sidewalk then no big deal.

If he was wasted out of his mind (charge wasn't public intox so I'm doubting that's the case) then it's more of a PR image for Drake himself that needs to be repaired.
 

SamSquatch said:
I respect what you’re saying but I don’t agree with it. I bet I drank with many of you underage, at Sallys’s, Blarney, BLoco, etc. It’s not that everyone does but it is a huge subset of the student population that does.

He wasn’t planning on getting caught - it’s not clear he was even flagrant about it. It just happens. And getting caught doing something so minor is better than some speeding tickets I’ve seen reported.

This isn’t assault or DUI or guns. It’s nothing at all. It’s off-season. No punishment. Just acknowledge it privately and then with the team and never think about it again.
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The fake ID is a bigger deal than the underage drinking. Neither are among the worst things college athletes have done but both are much worse than the Demry Croft door incident. It's also worse as the leader of the offense who is supposed to set an example for the team on and off the field.

I'm not expecting him to be benched for half of the season but if he doesn't sit for at least a drive or two, I think it's hard to keep selling the culture as something unique.
 



feel pretty confident you can just strip him of his captaincy, etc. and make him do community service/work with MADD or something similar and accomplish the commentary on culture. Making him sit out a drive against EIU like that somehow sets an example any better is silly
 

DarrenTheGreek said:
I know football fans, particularly SEC fans, are not the most rational people on the planet but why would anyone in Fayetteville be mad at Lindsay? He committed to Minnesota without being recruited by the Hogs.
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Wasn't there a lot of talk from Arkansas fans about Drake Lindsey transferring early in the off-season before he shut it down? It sounds like his family also stopped donating to Arkansas within the past year or two, right when money became more important to college sports than ever before.
 




he picked a really rough time to get the charges as its the absolute dead season of CFB. Now ESPN running the story

Seems pretty benign reading the ESPN story
According to a preliminary report from the Fayetteville Police Department, an officer was alerted by staff at the YeeHawg bar shortly after midnight about a possible fake identification document. Staff directed a police officer to Lindsey, 20, who admitted to having the fake identification and to consuming alcohol before arriving at the bar.

The Fayetteville, Arkansas, native was taken to the Washington County Detention Center. A copy of the fake ID was discovered in his wallet. Lindsey signed a form for a minor in possession of alcohol / attempted use of fraudulent or altered identification document. He was released about seven hours later after posting $470 bond.


Based on reviews of the place, it sure would seem like some speculating this was at least a partial grudge towards Lindsey for leaving may have some credence.
 
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The Gophers play Eastern Illinois for their opener this year.

Will it be one half, one quarter, or one series?
 




Kids will be kids....They all need to learn from the mistakes they make. Most of us made mistakes and never got caught. I look back at nights of indiscretions and think Wow, was I lucky. Drake was not that lucky. But I will say that as one of the "Leaders" on the Gopher team, he and all other leaders should make better decisions. Many players now get paid a lot of money to grow up fast and be that "Leader" that everyone expects.
 



Schnauzer said:
I think your idea of character and mine are apparently very, very different. I always tried to be realistic with my kids and I was pretty careful about picking my parenting hills to die on. In my experience, given the percentage of kids that have fake IDs and drink (smaller than it used to be but still probably beyond 99%), I always felt that getting bent out of shape with stuff like this was a great way to ensure I'd be the last person they'd come to when something like this inevitably happened.
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Very few kids behave better than their parents expect. So why set low expectations?

Realistically, you're the biggest influence on what your kids will think is normal. If you expect them to drink underage or commit minor crimes, they will know it and you can be 99% sure they'll do it. But if you model high standards, you can expect better results.

Some people don't like to hear it, but the biggest reason parents have low expectations for their kids is because they have low expectations for themselves, and they don't want their kids to think they're hypocrites.
 

Pj will be like Herb Brooks when he gets back to campus. Again! DRAKE, GET BACK ON THE LINE!
 

I agree this is a minor speed bump. It did make me wonder, though: With players getting paid (and Drake probably at $1 million or more), will these penalties ever become fines rather than suspensions or extra laps at practice? They'd probably be more of a deterrent.
 

Hates Monikers said:
I agree this is a minor speed bump. It did make me wonder, though: With players getting paid (and Drake probably at $1 million or more), will these penalties ever become fines rather than suspensions or extra laps at practice? They'd probably be more of a deterrent.
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I am sure any nil agreement could have a character clause written in that can void their deal
 


everybody knows my name said:
Very few kids behave better than their parents expect. So why set low expectations?

Realistically, you're the biggest influence on what your kids will think is normal. If you expect them to drink underage or commit minor crimes, they will know it and you can be 99% sure they'll do it. But if you model high standards, you can expect better results.

Some people don't like to hear it, but the biggest reason parents have low expectations for their kids is because they have low expectations for themselves, and they don't want their kids to think they're hypocrites.
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Your kids probably engage or engaged in a lot of activities that you don’t know about.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
Drake should be sent packing. To an all inclusive in Cabo. Cause this matters none. They’ll pay their way out of it or plead it down to community service.

Lesson learned—get a better fake.
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think he could probably just wait until August and do it with his actual ID.
 



everybody knows my name said:
On one hand, I'm sure that's true, to some degree. I am a realist.

But on the other hand, what I said is 100% true. Kids will live down to whatever standards you set for them. So set them high.
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If the worst thing my kids ever do is use a fake ID and drink underage I should write parenting books.
 



UpAndUnder43 said:
If the worst thing my kids ever do is use a fake ID and drink underage I should write parenting books.
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Slow news day at ESPN! I can't believe this article made the front page or any page at all. That is literally the most shocking thing to me.

Many, MANY, moons ago, I was at a party in a trailer park home and the police busted it. Yeah, I know...high end party. Anyway, it was pretty packed and we all headed for the back door to make our escape...except there WASN'T one so like 40 of us ended up jammed together in the back bedroom. The police opened that back bedroom door seeing us all packed together like a bunch of idiots and couldn't help but smirk as they began writing out underage tickets. My buddy was hiding behind the bedroom door on his tip toes. Eventually, his calves gave out because it took so long writing out all those tickets and he bumped the door. The cop sees him there and just shock his head. We still laugh about it to this day.

I went home thinking my parents would lose it. Nope. It barely registered with them. I'll never forget the expressions on their faces that basically said, "What, this is the big news you were afraid to tell us? Thank God!"
 

DarrenTheGreek said:
Don't nearly all cops wear bodycams now? If so the footage is bound to surface eventually. PJ would be wise to wait & see. If Drake was a douche or belligerent then he should sit a quarter or half against Eastern Illinois cause that's not what a team leader ought to be. If he was chill and they wanted to make an example of him for having a beer on the sidewalk then no big deal.

If he was wasted out of his mind (charge wasn't public intox so I'm doubting that's the case) then it's more of a PR image for Drake himself that needs to be repaired.
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