The Mountain West is in serious dialogue to add FCS powerhouse North Dakota State as a football-only member starting this coming season


NDSU ranked #3 behind UNLV and New Mexico in 1 preseason poll I saw. If NDSU beats those 2 on the road NDSU will be making the CFP
Wrong

The reason is simple: the new MWC is one of the weakest FBS conferences and then to boot NDSU has a putrid strength of schedule this year: 8 MWC games and then your non-conf is Sac State, San Jose State (extra game against MWC team scheduled as non-conf), Jax State (CUSA low-level FBS team), and Fordham (middling FCS program).

Even if you go undefeated, there is likely no chance the CFP committee will rank you higher than the American or Pac 12 champ unless the season is really wacky.
 

Why would the Big Ten and SEC allow the TV deal for that new entity to be watered down by the ACC and Big 12?

If there is to be a break away, it should just be those two leaving everyone else in the dust.
Do you ever get tired of being the most wrong person to post on this board?
 

Why would the Big Ten and SEC allow the TV deal for that new entity to be watered down by the ACC and Big 12?

If there is to be a break away, it should just be those two leaving everyone else in the dust.

I think it will indeed get to a Power 2 eventually and/or Big 10-SEC merger into some sort of even more Super Duper Conference, cherry picking a few ACC & Big 12 schools.
 
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I-A/FBS has never, ever had its post-season managed by the NCAA. It has always been bowl games, then Bowl Alliance/BCS, then CFP.

Your desire here does not compute. It's not a thing, at this division. Enjoy the FCS playoff, that seems to meet your requirements.
Did I ever say that the NCAA managed the FBS post season? I said every other level of college football. FCS through D3, and also the NAIA. Not sure about JUCO - I think their playoffs are by region because a lot of schools don't have football.
 


Did I ever say that the NCAA managed the FBS post season? I said every other level of college football. FCS through D3, and also the NAIA. Not sure about JUCO - I think their playoffs are by region because a lot of schools don't have football.
FCS through D3 only do that because the NCAA mandates it. The NCAA can't mandate anything in FBS postseason, so it's not a reasonable comparison.
 

NDSU paid $5 Million to NCAA and WILL BE CFP / BOWL eligible Day 1. NCAA assured NDSU this behind closed doors else we would not of jumped.

Also NDSU will be in the CFP before the Gophers (not smack, just being real)

NDSU most years easily compete with the Top 40-50 FBS teams consistently, we will do great in the MWC.
maybe, maybe not, if you do, you'll still get trounced right away

again, you didn't answer my question, do you think Illinois state could've beat any of the CFP teams last year in their house?
 

NDSU ranked #3 behind UNLV and New Mexico in 1 preseason poll I saw. If NDSU beats those 2 on the road NDSU will be making the CFP
also what's your thoughts of all top kids in the area still going to gophers despite your big jump to MW?
 

Salzie I am impressed by the Gophers getting Bakko (kindred) and Mack (Moorhead) Like wow, we were thinking Ohio State, Notre Dame etc for them. So nothing NDSU could've done about those 2'

Feeney/Taye from Moorhead should've went to NDSU and been bigger names, I think they get lost in the shuffle down there. but I was told the 3 Moorhead kids were going as a group to a college, so again, hats off to U of M

you gotta remember NDSU is 50% Minnesota, alot of us live in Minnesota and for as much crap we give the gophers for beating them 37-24 and them refusing to play NDSU again.... we will cheer for the gophers... ive been to several games and never miss the Ax game.
 



Salzie I am impressed by the Gophers getting Bakko (kindred) and Mack (Moorhead) Like wow, we were thinking Ohio State, Notre Dame etc for them. So nothing NDSU could've done about those 2'

Feeney/Taye from Moorhead should've went to NDSU and been bigger names, I think they get lost in the shuffle down there. but I was told the 3 Moorhead kids were going as a group to a college, so again, hats off to U of M

you gotta remember NDSU is 50% Minnesota, alot of us live in Minnesota and for as much crap we give the gophers for beating them 37-24 and them refusing to play NDSU again.... we will cheer for the gophers... ive been to several games and never miss the Ax game.
Yes, you beat a 3-9 gopher team, hats off to you!

As far as refusing, I wouldn't object to playing NDSU, but the reality is you're not a rival and there is no upside. If we lose, it's bad, if we win it's meh. If it were me, I'd probably get them on schedule every 5 years or so, but it's not me, same with SDSU but we also don't put them on schedule anymore either
 

Yes, you beat a 3-9 gopher team, hats off to you!

As far as refusing, I wouldn't object to playing NDSU, but the reality is you're not a rival and there is no upside. If we lose, it's bad, if we win it's meh. If it were me, I'd probably get them on schedule every 5 years or so, but it's not me, same with SDSU but we also don't put them on schedule anymore either
The non-conference scheduling strategy appears to be 1 P4 opponent and 2 cupcakes. Programs like NDSU and SDSU don't fit into that strategy. The same reason they haven't tried playing Mountain West teams either in the past.

I'm much rather the 1 competitive game be against a P4 team.
 

Hey like I said Gophers Recruiting is killing it.

NDSU has 4 Twin Cities kids committed so far, waiting on 2 more big metro kids
 

The non-conference scheduling strategy appears to be 1 P4 opponent and 2 cupcakes. Programs like NDSU and SDSU don't fit into that strategy. The same reason they haven't tried playing Mountain West teams either in the past.

I'm much rather the 1 competitive game be against a P4 team.
I’d rather us be good enough that NDSU and SDSU are cupcake games.
 




Yes, you beat a 3-9 gopher team, hats off to you!

As far as refusing, I wouldn't object to playing NDSU, but the reality is you're not a rival and there is no upside. If we lose, it's bad, if we win it's meh. If it were me, I'd probably get them on schedule every 5 years or so, but it's not me, same with SDSU but we also don't put them on schedule anymore either
They also beat Brewster his first year, I believe that was a 1-11 team?

I don't see any possible benefit to play NDSU or SDSU, any more than there is benefit in Washington playing Boise State or Montana.
 

The non-conference scheduling strategy appears to be 1 P4 opponent and 2 cupcakes. Programs like NDSU and SDSU don't fit into that strategy. The same reason they haven't tried playing Mountain West teams either in the past.

I'm much rather the 1 competitive game be against a P4 team.
We played Colorado State I believe in 2015 and 2016, that might have been the last time, and that was when the MWC was more respectable.

You're right that Fleck has not scheduled them.
 

I’d rather us be good enough that NDSU and SDSU are cupcake games.
Very few P4 teams can say that, though. Ohio State, Oregon.

Yeah sure, I'd love to be at that level too. Until then, I'd keep them off the schedule.
 

We played Colorado State I believe in 2015 and 2016, that might have been the last time, and that was when the MWC was more respectable.

You're right that Fleck has not scheduled them.

Fresno State was much more recent and during the Fleck era, though probably scheduled before his arrival. Needed Winfield Jr heroics both games.

Also beat Nevada from the MWC in a Home game only, 2024.
 

Very few P4 teams can say that, though. Ohio State, Oregon.

Yeah sure, I'd love to be at that level too. Until then, I'd keep them off the schedule.

It's a fine line between self preservation and being a wuss.
 

Fresno State was much more recent and during the Fleck era, though probably scheduled before his arrival. Needed Winfield Jr heroics both games.

Also beat Nevada from the MWC in a Home game only, 2024.
San Jose State is mountain west and on the schedule in 2027
North Dakota on the schedule in 2028 and 2030 (I know that’s not NdSU or SDSU)


People saying we won’t play mountain west schools or Dakota schools just aren’t living in the same reality as me.

2024 Nevada
2019 Fresno and SDSU


There are only 2 non power 5 games per year. Usually one is a MAC team. So basically one game a year to play Mountains west, sun belt, conference USA, FCS combined.

From 2018-2028 there will be 4 mountain west games and 2 Dakota games in those 10 opportunities (2020 only conference games)
Looked and I guess we have only played 6 Mac games since 2018

Since 2018 and including this fall (what they are right now):
Mac 6
FCS non Dakota 4
ACC 3
Mountain west 3
Sun Belt 2
Big 12 2
Conference UsA 2
FCS Dakota 1
SEC 1

2027 - SEC, Mountain West, FCS non Dakota
2028 - ACC, MAC, FCS Dakota
2029 and beyond - FCS Dakota, SECx2
 
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NDSU paid $5 Million to NCAA and WILL BE CFP / BOWL eligible Day 1. NCAA assured NDSU this behind closed doors else we would not of jumped.

Also NDSU will be in the CFP before the Gophers (not smack, just being real)

NDSU most years easily compete with the Top 40-50 FBS teams consistently, we will do great in the MWC.
The 40th best FBS team doesn't make the CFP though.
you gotta remember NDSU is 50% Minnesota, alot of us live in Minnesota and for as much crap we give the gophers for beating them 37-24 and them refusing to play NDSU again....
The Bisonville bizarro universe has been puffing its chest about beating horrible Minnesota teams in what amounts to a lifetime ago in college football and that the U "refuses" to schedule NDSU as a result. Meanwhile, both the AD and HC at SDSU have said on air that SDSU has offered to keep playing NDSU and would agree that the games only be played in Fargo but NDSU won't agree. Funny thing is that NDSU has never been, and never will be, a peer or rival with UofM. However, SDSU has been a peer and rival to NDSU. While the FBS/FCS divide means that the xDSUs are no longer on-field rivals, the schools will remain peers when it comes to funding, resources, fan engagement and recruiting.
 

I’ve been touting this for years. The overall difference between the Power conferences and the G’s is huge and with the money difference it’s only going separate more. I would think the G teams would want their own playoff. Maybe they think the tv money isn’t going to be there if they do.
I don't think G6 would ever willingly walk away from the P4. I think the money is too great and a lot of schools pimp their football teams out to fund the athletic department. I don't know how well that works any more with revenue sharing but we'll see.

Its too bad that the bowl system isn't scrapped, or at least pared way down, with an NIT like tournament or 12 or 16 teams, with the participants being the G6 conference champs (who are not in the CFP), plus at large teams. But to keep the tournament from being dominated by Iowa (maybe they still would), P4 representation would be inverse to G6 representation in the CFP. In other words, one G6 in the CFP, one P4 in the NIT.
 

The MWC is a watered down joke of a conference now, and that's coming from a WYO grad/fan. A bunch of teams that can't and won't compete with anyone of consequence. It's a shame, but true. NDSU adds nothing but another low budget D1 product. As much as it pains me to admit, the whole conference should add the ND's, SD's, Montana's, and Idaho's and be FCS.
No reason for the gophers to avoid “low budget D1 product”, is there?
 

I don't think G6 would ever willingly walk away from the P4. I think the money is too great and a lot of schools pimp their football teams out to fund the athletic department. I don't know how well that works any more with revenue sharing but we'll see.

Its too bad that the bowl system isn't scrapped, or at least pared way down, with an NIT like tournament or 12 or 16 teams, with the participants being the G6 conference champs (who are not in the CFP), plus at large teams. But to keep the tournament from being dominated by Iowa (maybe they still would), P4 representation would be inverse to G6 representation in the CFP. In other words, one G6 in the CFP, one P4 in the NIT.
Even if the P4 and G6 separated their post season playoffs, they could still play each other during the regular season. I agree that the G6 wouldn’t be too willing to separate or there would have been much talk about it before now.
 

Fresno State was much more recent and during the Fleck era, though probably scheduled before his arrival. Needed Winfield Jr heroics both games.

Also beat Nevada from the MWC in a Home game only, 2024.
Egg on my face, I was wrong.

In my defense, I still think only about the original eight teams that formed the MWC, not the WAC teams that came over in the 2010's. And certainly not the ... whatever the conference is now.
 

It's a fine line between self preservation and being a wuss.
Like I said, it would be the same thing as Washington not scheduling Boise State or Montana (State) in the regular season. No point in doing it, nothing to gain
 

Like I said, it would be the same thing as Washington not scheduling Boise State or Montana (State) in the regular season. No point in doing it, nothing to gain

More fannies in the seats is something to gain.
 

Even if the P4 and G6 separated their post season playoffs, they could still play each other during the regular season. I agree that the G6 wouldn’t be too willing to separate or there would have been much talk about it before now.
Sure, they'd still play each other but G6 isn't going to give up CFP money potential. But the price of buy games probably goes down. FBS teams get closer to seven figures from P4. FCS close to $300k. If P4 and G6 would become different categories, does P4 still pay MAC school 7 figures?

What might change the G6 position is the loss of buy games. P4 seems to want at least 9 conference games and one P4 nonconference game. The P4 doesn't have room for 4 patsies anymore. Do the economics still work for basement FBS teams like NDSU? Only if the fans will for the bill.
 

No reason for the gophers to avoid “low budget D1 product”, is there?
Lots of teams out there...why tie ourselves down to regional bs. Hockey does that work the old WCHA teams and its lame.
 

Wrong

The reason is simple: the new MWC is one of the weakest FBS conferences and then to boot NDSU has a putrid strength of schedule this year: 8 MWC games and then your non-conf is Sac State, San Jose State (extra game against MWC team scheduled as non-conf), Jax State (CUSA low-level FBS team), and Fordham (middling FCS program).

Even if you go undefeated, there is likely no chance the CFP committee will rank you higher than the American or Pac 12 champ unless the season is really wacky.
Agreed, ndsu won’t have the schedule strength in 2026 to do much of anything. But moving in March, they’re just lucky to have 11 teams on the schedule that are technically FBS. Not much to choose from at that late stage, can’t blame them for the schedule.

Their objective each year is now a conf championship. That’s primary goal each year, and would generate a competitive G5 ranking for playoff potential.
 




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