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phifo said:
They shared the B1G title with MSU in 2024-2025. He had one bad year.

None of those coaches has had anywhere close to the success Motzko has. Talk about moronic posts.
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This is the time where we start working on accepting what happened and using our coping skills we learned in therapy to move the f*ck on. You ain't changin' the outcome.

Motzko was a very good coach. Motzko also seemed to have petered out. Both can be true. This past season I saw a lot of similarities to the end of the Lucia era. The team had similar vibes. That was not a good time, and he won 2 natty's. I do not feel they ever fully recovered from the '23 greasy turd.
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
Gopher hockey has different expectations than football. In football we have to play Ohio State and Oregon. In hockey, we should be Ohio State or Oregon.

Everything in life should be considered in context. If you find a townhome for $2000 rent in Brooklyn it's a great deal, that same town home for $2000 on the Red Lake Reservation would be an awful deal. Context. It matters.


As to your point about Fleck being bad because his Big 10 record would be 35-37 if you ignored his best year.

Here are the other Gopher coaches minus their respective best seasons.
Jerry Kill: 9-18
Tim Brewster: 3-16
Glen Mason: 27-45
Jim Wacker: 5-27
John Gutenkunst: 13-25-2
Lou Holtz: 3-6
Joe Salem:: 8-27-1
Cal Stoll: 21-27
Murray Warmath: 59-58-4 (awfully close to Fleck)

Even using your randomly generated criteria for success, Fleck has been the most successful hire at the U, by a mile, in 70 years.
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Awesome, we pay our Coach 8 1/2 million dollars so we can go to the music city bowl every year. Meanwhile we fire
Bob_Loblaw said:
Gopher hockey has different expectations than football. In football we have to play Ohio State and Oregon. In hockey, we should be Ohio State or Oregon.

Everything in life should be considered in context. If you find a townhome for $2000 rent in Brooklyn it's a great deal, that same town home for $2000 on the Red Lake Reservation would be an awful deal. Context. It matters.


As to your point about Fleck being bad because his Big 10 record would be 35-37 if you ignored his best year.

Here are the other Gopher coaches minus their respective best seasons.
Jerry Kill: 9-18
Tim Brewster: 3-16
Glen Mason: 27-45
Jim Wacker: 5-27
John Gutenkunst: 13-25-2
Lou Holtz: 3-6
Joe Salem:: 8-27-1
Cal Stoll: 21-27
Murray Warmath: 59-58-4 (awfully close to Fleck)

Even using your randomly generated criteria for success, Fleck has been the most successful hire at the U, by a mile, in 70 years.
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Awesome, We pay PJ $8.5 million to go to the Music City Bowl every year. PJ fans have used that excuse of playing in the big boy league for years. Let me ask you, why can Indiana beat OSU and Oregon but we can't?

PJ's finishes the last 5 years
8th
8th
10th
7th
5th

Motzkos last 5 years
6th
1st
3rd
1st
1st

Coyle just fired the most successful coach at the University over the past 5 years. He needs to go.
 

phifo said:
Awesome, we pay our Coach 8 1/2 million dollars so we can go to the music city bowl every year. Meanwhile we fire

Awesome, We pay PJ $8.5 million to go to the Music City Bowl every year. PJ fans have used that excuse of playing in the big boy league for years. Let me ask you, why can Indiana beat OSU and Oregon but we can't?

PJ's finishes the last 5 years
8th
8th
10th
7th
5th

Motzkos last 5 years
6th
1st
3rd
1st
1st

Coyle just fired the most successful coach at the University over the past 5 years. He needs to go.
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Gee Bob a little angry are we??? Take a seat your time was up.
 

phifo said:
They shared the B1G title with MSU in 2024-2025. He had one bad year.

None of those coaches has had anywhere close to the success Motzko has. Talk about moronic posts.
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You are an idiot if you think that is an apples to apples comparison
 



Crosby said:
You are an idiot if you think that is an apples to apples comparison
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Yes because comparing coaches whose teams are national title contenders and conference champions to coaches who struggle to get their teams into the top half of the league is an unfair comparison. By the way, now that Indiana, a perennial cellar dweller won a national championship and beat both OSU and Oregon what’s PJs excuse?
 


phifo said:
Awesome, we pay our Coach 8 1/2 million dollars so we can go to the music city bowl every year. Meanwhile we fire

Awesome, We pay PJ $8.5 million to go to the Music City Bowl every year. PJ fans have used that excuse of playing in the big boy league for years. Let me ask you, why can Indiana beat OSU and Oregon but we can't?

PJ's finishes the last 5 years
8th
8th
10th
7th
5th

Motzkos last 5 years
6th
1st
3rd
1st
1st

Coyle just fired the most successful coach at the University over the past 5 years. He needs to go.
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6th out of 7th vs 8th of 18. Also when did Fleck appear in the Music City bowl
 



phifo said:
Yes because comparing coaches whose teams are national title contenders and conference champions to coaches who struggle to get their teams into the top half of the league is an unfair comparison. By the way, now that Indiana, a perennial cellar dweller won a national championship and beat both OSU and Oregon what’s PJs excuse?
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Yeah this thread aged well lol
 

phifo said:
Awesome, we pay our Coach 8 1/2 million dollars so we can go to the music city bowl every year. Meanwhile we fire

Awesome, We pay PJ $8.5 million to go to the Music City Bowl every year. PJ fans have used that excuse of playing in the big boy league for years. Let me ask you, why can Indiana beat OSU and Oregon but we can't?

PJ's finishes the last 5 years
8th
8th
10th
7th
5th

Motzkos last 5 years
6th
1st
3rd
1st
1st

Coyle just fired the most successful coach at the University over the past 5 years. He needs to go.
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You don't pay him anything and that's the going rate for coaches who are as good as him.

Do you really compare Gopher football to Gopher hockey? You're pretending. You're formulating coherent sentences so you're not as dumb as you're pretending to be on this point.

Why don't you compare Motzko to his predecessors? Motzko is clearly worse than everyone except Buetow and they are almost exactly the same except Buetow got canned after going 31-13 and making it the NCAA quarterfinals.

Motzko:
Conference Winning Percentage: .635; ZERO national championships
Lucia:
Conference Winning Percentage: .644; TWO national championships
Woog:
Conference Winning Percentage: .688; Zero national championships
Buetow:
Conference Winning Percentage: .635; Zero national championshps
Brooks:
Conference Winning Percentage: .579; THREE national championships

Essentially, you're upset that we fired the worst hockey coach we've had in 55 years after one of the worst seasons we've ever had. And you're justifying your outrage because we held onto the best football coach we've had in the last 70 years.
 

phifo said:
Yes because comparing coaches whose teams are national title contenders and conference champions to coaches who struggle to get their teams into the top half of the league is an unfair comparison. By the way, now that Indiana, a perennial cellar dweller won a national championship and beat both OSU and Oregon what’s PJs excuse?
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He doesn't need excuses, he's the most successful coach we've had in 70 years.

What's Bob's excuse for being the least successful hockey coach in 55 years?
 




Bob_Loblaw said:
You don't pay him anything and that's the going rate for coaches who are as good as him.

Do you really compare Gopher football to Gopher hockey? You're pretending. You're formulating coherent sentences so you're not as dumb as you're pretending to be on this point.

Why don't you compare Motzko to his predecessors? Motzko is clearly worse than everyone except Buetow and they are almost exactly the same except Buetow got canned after going 31-13 and making it the NCAA quarterfinals.

Motzko:
Conference Winning Percentage: .635; ZERO national championships
Lucia:
Conference Winning Percentage: .644; TWO national championships
Woog:
Conference Winning Percentage: .688; Zero national championships
Buetow:
Conference Winning Percentage: .635; Zero national championshps
Brooks:
Conference Winning Percentage: .579; THREE national championships

Essentially, you're upset that we fired the worst hockey coach we've had in 55 years after one of the worst seasons we've ever had. And you're justifying your outrage because we held onto the best football coach we've had in the last 70 years.
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Bob - this is an excellent post. But you are WAY too logical to be posting on the hockey forum. It's pretty much adrenaline and emotion all the time here.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
He doesn't need excuses, he's the most successful coach we've had in 70 years.

What's Bob's excuse for being the least successful hockey coach in 55 years?
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Bob_Loblaw said:
You don't pay him anything and that's the going rate for coaches who are as good as him.

Do you really compare Gopher football to Gopher hockey? You're pretending. You're formulating coherent sentences so you're not as dumb as you're pretending to be on this point.

Why don't you compare Motzko to his predecessors? Motzko is clearly worse than everyone except Buetow and they are almost exactly the same except Buetow got canned after going 31-13 and making it the NCAA quarterfinals.

Motzko:
Conference Winning Percentage: .635; ZERO national championships
Lucia:
Conference Winning Percentage: .644; TWO national championships
Woog:
Conference Winning Percentage: .688; Zero national championships
Buetow:
Conference Winning Percentage: .635; Zero national championshps
Brooks:
Conference Winning Percentage: .579; THREE national championships

Essentially, you're upset that we fired the worst hockey coach we've had in 55 years after one of the worst seasons we've ever had. And you're justifying your outrage because we held onto the best football coach we've had in the last 70 years.
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Two of those coaches, Woog and Brooks are in the Hockey Hall of fame, Lucia probably will be at some point. Measuring programs by Natties is one measuring stick. In this day and age its not the best one. Motzko resurrected this program whether you want to give him credit or not. Mariucci was a morgue, season ticket sales were in the toilet and recruiting was awful. Bob is a Minnesota guy and I think his statement yesterday was heartfelt. He genuinely feels honored to have coached this program. He is an outstanding coach. He took 2 different programs to the Frozen 4. He had one bad season and paid for it because our AD is an idiot who doesn't understand that hockey has grown and we aren't one of only 4-5 top tier programs in the country anymore. People laughed when OSU and PSU started their programs. Their universities have thrown a shit ton of money into them and folks aren't laughing any more. There were 30 DI hockey programs when Brooks was coaching. There are 64 now and they aren't piddly little programs run on gum and shoe string. We compete against programs like OSU and PSU and Michigan where budgets dwarf ours. I think for everything Bob did for this program he deserved a little more respect from Coyle and from the fans. Motzko left this program in a great place. If the new coach can hold on to his recruits this is going to be a monster year as far as incoming talent. As a previous poster said there isn't a lot to be done at this point. I will leave you to bask in the glory of PJ's 8th place finish and dreams of one day improving on his 1-8 record against Iowa.
 
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caliGopher said:
He pissed it down his leg in the third period of the title game he had in the bag until he stopped coaching to win.....
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you should give the GPL podcast from last night a listen. Think Cappy probably had a pretty fair assessment of it (which surprised me a little, but felt like a good portion of what I saw watching it happen live) right around the 25min mark
 

phifo said:
Two of those coaches, Woog and Brooks are in the Hockey Hall of fame, Lucia probably will be at some point. Measuring programs by Natties is one measuring stick. In this day and age its not the best one. Motzko resurrected this program whether you want to give him credit or not. Mariucci was a morgue, season ticket sales were in the toilet and recruiting was awful. Bob is a Minnesota guy and I think his statement yesterday was heartfelt. He genuinely feels honored to have coached this program. He is an outstanding coach. He took 2 different programs to the Frozen 4. He had one bad season and paid for it because our AD is an idiot who doesn't understand that hockey has grown and we aren't one of only 4-5 top tier programs in the country anymore. People laughed when OSU and PSU started their programs. Their universities have thrown a shit ton of money into them and folks aren't laughing any more. There were 30 DI hockey programs when Brooks was coaching. There are 64 now and they aren't piddly little programs run on gum and shoe string. We compete against programs like OSU and PSU and Michigan where budgets dwarf ours. I think for everything Bob did for this program he deserved a little more respect from Coyle and from the fans. Motzko left this program in a great place. If the new coach can hold on to his recruits this is going to be a monster year as far as incoming talent. As a previous poster said there isn't a lot to be done at this point. I will leave you to bask in the glory of PJ's 8th place finish and dreams of one day improving on his 1-8 record against Iowa.
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Brooks is in the Hockey Hall of Fame. Woog is not.
Unless you mean the US Hockey Hall of Fame, which is like the Dollar Tree version of the real thing in Toronto. And even so, I'd question why Woog would be in the USHHoF. His moronic "Minnesota players only" hamstrung this program and he never won a title. Everyone says he was a nice guy. I don't care about that. I care about winning.

And if Minnesota wants to be like Indiana is now in Football, we need donors willing to step up and pay big money for top players.
 

disco said:
And if Minnesota wants to be like Indiana is now in Football, we need donors willing to step up and pay big money for top players.
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If they were out there they'd already have been doing it.
 

bonin21 said:
If they were out there they'd already have been doing it.
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Exactly. The U is at a disadvantage when it comes to the modern pay to play model, especially for football.
 

#2Gopher said:
I agree with this for the most part. I wasn't disappointed in either Whalen or Johnson when hired. I am surprised however how it didn't pan out. Both of them had been around basketball when hired particularly Whalen.
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Some coaches are self contained units. Others are good figureheads that need very strong assistants to have a chance. Now add NIL. More than the past, the coach AND AD better be very good at attracting people that are big donors or know how to fundraise.
 

phifo said:
Two of those coaches, Woog and Brooks are in the Hockey Hall of fame, Lucia probably will be at some point. Measuring programs by Natties is one measuring stick. In this day and age its not the best one. Motzko resurrected this program whether you want to give him credit or not. Mariucci was a morgue, season ticket sales were in the toilet and recruiting was awful. Bob is a Minnesota guy and I think his statement yesterday was heartfelt. He genuinely feels honored to have coached this program. He is an outstanding coach. He took 2 different programs to the Frozen 4. He had one bad season and paid for it because our AD is an idiot who doesn't understand that hockey has grown and we aren't one of only 4-5 top tier programs in the country anymore. People laughed when OSU and PSU started their programs. Their universities have thrown a shit ton of money into them and folks aren't laughing any more. There were 30 DI hockey programs when Brooks was coaching. There are 64 now and they aren't piddly little programs run on gum and shoe string. We compete against programs like OSU and PSU and Michigan where budgets dwarf ours. I think for everything Bob did for this program he deserved a little more respect from Coyle and from the fans. Motzko left this program in a great place. If the new coach can hold on to his recruits this is going to be a monster year as far as incoming talent. As a previous poster said there isn't a lot to be done at this point. I will leave you to bask in the glory of PJ's 8th place finish and dreams of one day improving on his 1-8 record against Iowa.
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Yeah, the Gopher hockey program is one of the best in the country, I am not the one comparing them to Gopher football.
 

upnorthkid said:
Hes still here and in no way will who you employ as the MBB coach but what gets you hired or fired here.

I’m not saying he turned down other options to pick Ben, but he hung on for too long and extended him. Acting like he didn’t have a role in the whole process is being purposely simplistic.

He thought it could work and hired him. I wouldn’t fire him for the 2 hires, but those 2 coaches are more trouble spots than the OP post (which is the only reason mentioning any coaches at all).

The fundraising and PR is far more the part I think he’s lacking on and the reason I’d move on. He’s overall been fine hiring imo
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I do not believe Coyle hired Ben, but who wrote the contract? That's the reason Coyle didn't fire Ben sooner...the guaranteed money.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
You don't pay him anything and that's the going rate for coaches who are as good as him.

Do you really compare Gopher football to Gopher hockey? You're pretending. You're formulating coherent sentences so you're not as dumb as you're pretending to be on this point.

Why don't you compare Motzko to his predecessors? Motzko is clearly worse than everyone except Buetow and they are almost exactly the same except Buetow got canned after going 31-13 and making it the NCAA quarterfinals.

Motzko:
Conference Winning Percentage: .635; ZERO national championships
Lucia:
Conference Winning Percentage: .644; TWO national championships
Woog:
Conference Winning Percentage: .688; Zero national championships
Buetow:
Conference Winning Percentage: .635; Zero national championshps
Brooks:
Conference Winning Percentage: .579; THREE national championships

Essentially, you're upset that we fired the worst hockey coach we've had in 55 years after one of the worst seasons we've ever had. And you're justifying your outrage because we held onto the best football coach we've had in the last 70 years.
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:clapping:
 


phifo said:
People laughed when OSU and PSU started their programs. Their universities have thrown a shit ton of money into them and folks aren't laughing any more. There were 30 DI hockey programs when Brooks was coaching.
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Ohio St became D1 in Men's hockey in 1963. They were one of the 30 D1 programs when Brooks became HC of the Gophers.

I highly doubt many people were "laughing" when the Buckeyes program started.

en.wikipedia.org

Ohio State Buckeyes men's ice hockey - Wikipedia

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Personally, I did not laugh when Penn St started their program. Closer to crying because it meant the end of the Gopher's tenure in the WCHA for the Men.
 


This thread is a massive waste of time that should just be nuked. Saying people laughed at PSU starting hockey just confirms zero hockey knowledge.
 

bonin21 said:
This thread is a massive waste of time that should just be nuked. Saying people laughed at PSU starting hockey just confirms zero hockey knowledge.
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You do know reading the thread and commenting is completely optional, right?
 


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