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WAGopher said:
I believe Notre Dame has a football agreement to play 5 ACC teams each year as an Independent. The benefit for Notre Dame is having 5 P4 games they don’t have to negotiate and leaves them 7 games with flexibility to play their traditional opponents. And the benefit for the ACC is 5 high profile games and additional TV money.

Notre Dame’s playoff agreement is separate from the ACC’s.
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In years Notre Dame doesn't make the playoffs, they are slotted into the ACC bowl pecking order.

Most projections had them playing BYU in the PopTarts bowl in Orlando as the "ACC" rep.
 

tjgopher said:
In years Notre Dame doesn't make the playoffs, they are slotted into the ACC bowl pecking order.

Most projections had them playing BYU in the PopTarts bowl in Orlando as the "ACC" rep.
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Thank you for the info. It looks like they also revenue share Bowl money with the ACC, so ND opting out of a $5 million dollar bowl game is a big loss of income for the ACC. I wonder if in response the ACC doesn’t share any post season revenue with Notre Dame?
 

Playing college football with your buddies is a once in a lifetime and finite thing. The vast majority of the players on these teams have zero chance at the NFL. Strap it up and play while you can. This isn’t a life sport like hoops or hockey that you can play going forward for shits and giggles — once you’re done, you’re done. Perhaps I’m more sensitive to that since as a senior I was feeling great week four play 5 and on play 6 my knee got torn up and boom — playing football is gone forever.
 

upnorthkid said:
that is worse. a no boost for winning, only hit for losing game is literally the worst outcome. non team we compete against for recruits. location we don't really recruit. yep this is a real seller
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In fairness, we did sign three kids from Phoenix area as part of our recruiting class this past week.
 




stocker08 said:
Ah, so you had absolutely zero point for those original posts. Could have just admitted that right off the bat rather than the stream of deflections since.
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No, I had a point and reiterated it multiple times as well as provided more context.

It was not intended as an argument/debate as you have inferred complete with a meme.
 

Ski-U-Ham said:
I would love to see the bowls blackball Notre Dame going forward. Say what you will about ISU and KSU, at least they have a penalty owed to their conference. If Notre Dame makes the CFP so be it, if not, they can just be done no questions asked.
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You really think Notre will ever care about playing in one of these Consolation Non-CFP Bowls, especially when the field expands to 16 (or more)?

I honestly don't.
 

Number of teams have pulled out of the Bowls including Notre Dame, FSU Seminoles, Auburn, UCF, Baylor, Rutgers and Iowa State.
 




Ope3 said:
You really think Notre will ever care about playing in one of these Consolation Non-CFP Bowls, especially when the field expands to 16 (or more)?

I honestly don't.
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Maybe, maybe not. If what you say is true, I would love to never see them play a 13th game ever again.
 

tjgopher said:
In fairness, we did sign three kids from Phoenix area as part of our recruiting class this past week.
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referring to New Mexico. Such as if you play a texas school and go into a texas kids house, you may have some one up on the local team if you beat them the year prior

phoenix is a good place to be for visibility though. don't think we'll sway anyone there for beating UNM though
 




Ski-U-Ham said:
Maybe, maybe not. If what you say is true, I would love to never see them play a 13th game ever again.
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Irish are going back to their roots.

Their 1st Bowl was the 1925 Rose Bowl. They then passed on them until the 1970 Cotton Bowl, including their 9-0-1 National Championship Team in 1966.
 


WAGopher said:
I believe Notre Dame has a football agreement to play 5 ACC teams each year as an Independent. The benefit for Notre Dame is having 5 P4 games they don’t have to negotiate and leaves them 7 games with flexibility to play their traditional opponents. And the benefit for the ACC is 5 high profile games and additional TV money.

Notre Dame’s playoff agreement is separate from the ACC’s.
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Understand all that.

In the previous system at least, there was part of the deal that made Notre Dame eligible to be selected by the Orange Bowl in years that it wasn't a semi-final game.

Now with the 12 team playoff the Orange is obviously part of it every year so that wouldn't apply, just wasn't sure if they had something else, like for the Citrus or something.
 

GopherGrit said:
Understand all that.

In the previous system at least, there was part of the deal that made Notre Dame eligible to be selected by the Orange Bowl in years that it wasn't a semi-final game.

Now with the 12 team playoff the Orange is obviously part of it every year so that wouldn't apply, just wasn't sure if they had something else, like for the Citrus or something.
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Yes, ND falls into the regular ACC bowl pecking order in years they don't make the CFP. The top ACC bowls are the PopTarts, Gator, and Holiday.

They were almost certainly going to the PopTarts Bowl if they wanted to play a regular bowl game.
 

tjgopher said:
In years Notre Dame doesn't make the playoffs, they are slotted into the ACC bowl pecking order.

Most projections had them playing BYU in the PopTarts bowl in Orlando as the "ACC" rep.
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That would be a good game too.
 

tjgopher said:
Yes, ND falls into the regular ACC bowl pecking order in years they don't make the CFB. The top ACC bowls are the PopTarts, Gator, and Holiday.

They were going to be going to the PopTarts Bowl if they wanted to play a regular bowl game.
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So in some sense their choice wouldn't be much different than say Virginia choosing to opt out and screwing the ACC out of filling a bowl slot.

Though again, ultimately at the end of the day the conference is pissed about not filling a bowl slot because they'll lose out on the money that bowl would've paid. But wonder if Notre Dame keeps the payout of whatever bowl slot they take.
 



GopherGrit said:
Understand all that.

In the previous system at least, there was part of the deal that made Notre Dame eligible to be selected by the Orange Bowl in years that it wasn't a semi-final game.

Now with the 12 team playoff the Orange is obviously part of it every year so that wouldn't apply, just wasn't sure if they had something else, like for the Citrus or something.
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I don’t think so because Notre Dame also has the bowl revenue sharing agreement with the ACC.
 

Ope3 said:
No, I had a point and reiterated it multiple times as well as provided more context.

It was not intended as an argument/debate as you have inferred complete with a meme.
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You quoted one of my posts with a non sequitur and have since been desperately trying to claim you didn't.

I never once said that a bowl game was more important than a conference game, whether in Dublin or not. You brought that up out of nowhere as if the game in Dublin precludes either ISU/KSU from playing in a bowl. Again....it doesn't. It has little to no bearing on why they decided to turn down a bowl invitation.
 

I don’t like the Rate Bowl and think we got screwed in favor of Nebraska, but I’ll take it over Pinstripe and Detroit for sure.

That said, New Mexico is a sucky draw for us. We’ll get zero credit for beating them and will get clowned on for losing to them, even though they’re a solid team.
 

Maybe Notre Dame was against going to the New Mexico Bowl to play a Mountain West team?
 

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DelawareGopher said:
I don’t like the Rate Bowl and think we got screwed in favor of Nebraska, but I’ll take it over Pinstripe and Detroit for sure.

That said, New Mexico is a sucky draw for us. We’ll get zero credit for beating them and will get clowned on for losing to them, even though they’re a solid team.
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Simple research shows they were hottest team in league and the got screwed on a terrible tie breaking system. They should have been in the league championship game. Had they won the league they may have been put ahead of JMU and in playoffs.
 



Some guy said:
So nothing changes either way
I agree
No downside or upside either way
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Respectfully speaking (I'm really not trying to sound like a doink here), but if there is no downside, why not decline the bowl invitation? I agree with a lot of these posts about how the Big Ten doesn't really care much about bowl placement at these levels. If that's the case, then what realistically does the Big Ten provide MN at this point? I get that the TV deal and the money is appealing to MN. However, how has the Big Ten enhanced MN's brand? For me, and I bleed maroon and gold, the Big Ten continues to send MN the same message on what MN's role is in the conference. That being a team to beat for the top dawgs. We weren't even in that game vs Ohio State this year. Or Oregon for that matter.

NDSU, though FCS, has a very loyal fan base. I'd almost say more loyal than MN. I wouldn't say NDSU is a bigger brand, but the loyalty and entusiasm seems more intense. Would that be the case if MN jumped out of the Big Ten? At what point does fan interest simmer here in MN? I'm in the camp that thinks PJ is the only reason fan interest hasn't fallen off a cliff here.

In 2021, MN beat both Wisconsin and Purdue. Purdue went to Nashville and Wisconsin went to Vegas. That same year, Penn State finished a game below us and went to the Outback bowl. How does the Big Ten promote MN? How does MN breakthrough and enhance the brand when we keep going to the same 'meaningless' bowl games. MN is one of the few teams that actually tries during these games. What do they get for that?

I don't think we got snubbed per se this year. Had we beaten Northwestern, I still think we'd still be in Phoenix. Had we beaten Northwestern and Cal, I still think we'd be in Phoenix. I think we should be in either Nashville or Vegas over Nebraska, but again, this is just another example of what the Big Ten conference thinks of MN and what MN's role is within the conference. I get we're one of the 'founding' members, but that isn't building the brand. Since Nebraska joined the conference, they've gone to a repeat bowl game once and that was Citrus in Orlando. If we include this years bowls, then they've now been to Nashville twice. In that same time frame, MN has been to the same bowl game in Houston, Detroit, and now Phoenix. I get why bowl committees want Nebraska and their traveling fan base. If that's the case, then maybe MN needs to join the Big 12 where it seems like there's not as much of a disparity from the have and the have nots.

*Note: this semi-anti rant against the big ten doesn't even touch on what it did to MN hockey in this state.
 

W404613 said:
Respectfully speaking (I'm really not trying to sound like a doink here), but if there is no downside, why not decline the bowl invitation? I agree with a lot of these posts about how the Big Ten doesn't really care much about bowl placement at these levels. If that's the case, then what realistically does the Big Ten provide MN at this point? I get that the TV deal and the money is appealing to MN. However, how has the Big Ten enhanced MN's brand? For me, and I bleed maroon and gold, the Big Ten continues to send MN the same message on what MN's role is in the conference. That being a team to beat for the top dawgs. We weren't even in that game vs Ohio State this year. Or Oregon for that matter.

NDSU, though FCS, has a very loyal fan base. I'd almost say more loyal than MN. I wouldn't say NDSU is a bigger brand, but the loyalty and entusiasm seems more intense. Would that be the case if MN jumped out of the Big Ten? At what point does fan interest simmer here in MN? I'm in the camp that thinks PJ is the only reason fan interest hasn't fallen off a cliff here.

In 2021, MN beat both Wisconsin and Purdue. Purdue went to Nashville and Wisconsin went to Vegas. That same year, Penn State finished a game below us and went to the Outback bowl. How does the Big Ten promote MN? How does MN breakthrough and enhance the brand when we keep going to the same 'meaningless' bowl games. MN is one of the few teams that actually tries during these games. What do they get for that?

I don't think we got snubbed per se this year. Had we beaten Northwestern, I still think we'd still be in Phoenix. Had we beaten Northwestern and Cal, I still think we'd be in Phoenix. I think we should be in either Nashville or Vegas over Nebraska, but again, this is just another example of what the Big Ten conference thinks of MN and what MN's role is within the conference. I get we're one of the 'founding' members, but that isn't building the brand. Since Nebraska joined the conference, they've gone to a repeat bowl game once and that was Citrus in Orlando. If we include this years bowls, then they've now been to Nashville twice. In that same time frame, MN has been to the same bowl game in Houston, Detroit, and now Phoenix. I get why bowl committees want Nebraska and their traveling fan base. If that's the case, then maybe MN needs to join the Big 12 where it seems like there's not as much of a disparity from the have and the have nots.

*Note: this semi-anti rant against the big ten doesn't even touch on what it did to MN hockey in this state.
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I suspect we will see more and more teams choose not to play in the coming years because there is no downside.

Notre dame, Kansas State, and Iowa state are all going to be fine
 

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