Farm Aid Concert at Huntington


According to their website it is to help/encourage small/family farms. So perhaps not the large, corporate farms that are doing well.
With the price of land and the low prices on corn and soybean it will be very hard for small farms to remain viable. Southwest Minnesota land is running well over 10k per acre.
 

According to their website it is to help/encourage small/family farms. So perhaps not the large and/or corporate farms that are doing well.
I work with farmers on a daily basis. The idea of the "family farm" is antiquated. Even small farmers are worth several millions of dollars and while commodity prices are currently low, producers can insure revenue. Frankly, I see farmers that fail and it has nothing to do with size and everything to do with poor decisions.
 

UMN band has woodwinds, which aren't loud. If the band were going for volume they'd be all brass and drums.
The acoustics will be fine. People going will go to support Farmers. That lineup, however, is made up of old men who now yell at clouds. It's just a nostalgia concert to raise money and awareness for farmers.

A problem for farming is that land is being bought up by billionaires and local farmers are becoming hired hands like a fuedal state.
Literally not true. Only about 5% of US farms are incorporated, and the vast majority of those are family corporations who own and farm the land themselves.
 

Literally not true. Only about 5% of US farms are incorporated, and the vast majority of those are family corporations who own and farm the land themselves.
The farms are being owned by big farmers who own thousands and ten thousands of acres. The day of the 80 - 160 acre farm are over. When my uncles farm went up for sale after he died there were local "super farmers" who were very eager to buy the 240 acres he had. Those boys could buy the land with cash. The day of the small farmer is over.
 


The farms are being owned by big farmers who own thousands and ten thousands of acres. The day of the 80 - 160 acre farm are over. When my uncles farm went up for sale after he died there were local "super farmers" who were very eager to buy the 240 acres he had. Those boys could buy the land with cash. The day of the small farmer is over.
I live in farm country. These small size farms exist all over still,,, but they are not their main revenue source. Mostly hobby farms to supplement.

And yes all full time farmers will snatch up land before it goes on the market whenever they can.
 

The farms are being owned by big farmers who own thousands and ten thousands of acres. The day of the 80 - 160 acre farm are over. When my uncles farm went up for sale after he died there were local "super farmers" who were very eager to buy the 240 acres he had. Those boys could buy the land with cash. The day of the small farmer is over.
Nice pivot.
 

Nice pivot.
I see a lot of hired hands while super farms grow bigger and small farms fade away. I also know that there were super farms and wealthy investors wanted my uncle's land, but the family found smaller farmers who would honor the land and sold to them for a lower price so it wouldn't be gobbled up by the large conglomerates.
Again, the small farmer is fading away.
 

The farms are being owned by big farmers who own thousands and ten thousands of acres. The day of the 80 - 160 acre farm are over. When my uncles farm went up for sale after he died there were local "super farmers" who were very eager to buy the 240 acres he had. Those boys could buy the land with cash. The day of the small farmer is over.
Farmers who own "thousands of tens of thousands of acres" are just farmers and aren't "conglomerates" or "super farmers" they are farmers. They are just garden variety farmers and sometimes maybe their grandkids in a family farm operation. It's not Unilever, Cargill, Walmart or KraftHeinz buying land. Minnesota and most other ag-centric states have laws against corporate farm ownership. About 50% or less of farm land is owned by owner operators and the other half retired farmers or their heirs. Very little is owned by "investors" (who in local farmer parlance means the winning bidder who wasn't them). When a farm is sold at auction, very newly always it's purchased by a farmer ten miles away or less. 80 and 160 acre farms were antiquated two generations or more ago. Anyone farming 240 acres now is either 1.Part time (with a job in town) with a very expensive hobby, 2. A CSA making their living at farmers markets, or 3. A farmer easing into retirement renting the rest of his land to the son in law.

There are a few exceptions of course. Guys like Phil Sonstegaard and Ron Fagen but a lot of land but they aren't farmers. They rent their land to local farmers. And RDO buys a lot of garbage tree farm land in central Minnesota, and spends a ton of money on drainage and irrigation to grow potatoes. But no one else wants that land.
 



Farmers who own "thousands of tens of thousands of acres" are just farmers and aren't "conglomerates" or "super farmers" they are farmers. They are just garden variety farmers and sometimes maybe their grandkids in a family farm operation. It's not Unilever, Cargill, Walmart or KraftHeinz buying land. Minnesota and most other ag-centric states have laws against corporate farm ownership. About 50% or less of farm land is owned by owner operators and the other half retired farmers or their heirs. Very little is owned by "investors" (who in local farmer parlance means the winning bidder who wasn't them). When a farm is sold at auction, very newly always it's purchased by a farmer ten miles away or less. 80 and 160 acre farms were antiquated two generations or more ago. Anyone farming 240 acres now is either 1.Part time (with a job in town) with a very expensive hobby, 2. A CSA making their living at farmers markets, or 3. A farmer easing into retirement renting the rest of his land to the son in law.

There are a few exceptions of course. Guys like Phil Sonstegaard and Ron Fagen but a lot of land but they aren't farmers. They rent their land to local farmers. And RDO buys a lot of garbage tree farm land in central Minnesota, and spends a ton of money on drainage and irrigation to grow potatoes. But no one else wants that land.
Couldn't agree more. Where I grew up an small farm was like 400 acres. Most were at least 1000 acres.
 

Farmers who own "thousands of tens of thousands of acres" are just farmers and aren't "conglomerates" or "super farmers" they are farmers. They are just garden variety farmers and sometimes maybe their grandkids in a family farm operation. It's not Unilever, Cargill, Walmart or KraftHeinz buying land. Minnesota and most other ag-centric states have laws against corporate farm ownership. About 50% or less of farm land is owned by owner operators and the other half retired farmers or their heirs. Very little is owned by "investors" (who in local farmer parlance means the winning bidder who wasn't them). When a farm is sold at auction, very newly always it's purchased by a farmer ten miles away or less. 80 and 160 acre farms were antiquated two generations or more ago. Anyone farming 240 acres now is either 1.Part time (with a job in town) with a very expensive hobby, 2. A CSA making their living at farmers markets, or 3. A farmer easing into retirement renting the rest of his land to the son in law.

There are a few exceptions of course. Guys like Phil Sonstegaard and Ron Fagen but a lot of land but they aren't farmers. They rent their land to local farmers. And RDO buys a lot of garbage tree farm land in central Minnesota, and spends a ton of money on drainage and irrigation to grow potatoes. But no one else wants that land.
You prove my point that the small farmer has faded away. Only the big farmer exists and the rest of the folks are serfs. Welcome to the return of the feudal system.
 






Aue contraire!

Willie is old (92, and still an icon).
Neil is (79 and still an icon)
John Mellenkamp is 73
Dave Matthews is 58 (my fave)
Rest of line up is younger.
Yes, I hope some of this does go to help farmers? Who knows how much? Surely not enough.

As far as farm land being bought up by billionaires (and foreigners), take that to the other board.
What a great lineup- Have a great time!!

Saw Willie in 98 and he played less than an hour, but it was amazing. Mellenkamp is great live as well. Always wanted to see Young!!!
 

You prove my point that the small farmer has faded away. Only the big farmer exists and the rest of the folks are serfs. Welcome to the return of the feudal system.
Farms have been getting bigger since farming began. The size of farms has never been static. Old McDonald style farming is inefficient and impractical.
 

Farms have been getting bigger since farming began. The size of farms has never been static. Old McDonald style farming is inefficient and impractical.
I believe someone at the U of M did a good study that showed that the initial homestead type farm grants were often impossible to last on long term ... even at the time.

Farming has always been an ever increasing farm size game and not a consistent money maker.

Growing up in the rural lands I couldn't help but look around and think "best thing for a lot of these people is just to get out of the game".

I think there's an ideal about family farming that maybe has never been sustainable outside some brief golden ages. Let alone situations with subsidies and so on.
 
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With the price of land and the low prices on corn and soybean it will be very hard for small farms to remain viable. Southwest Minnesota land is running well over 10k per acre.
Yeah, but that is how much of small business works. You make an okay living, but cash out on the sale of the business/land when you are done.
 

The average farm size in Minnesota is 388 acres, according to the USDA National Agricultural Statistics Service. This is based on the 2022 Census of Agriculture. The number of farms in Minnesota has decreased in recent years, while the average farm size has increased.
This statistic is skewed by the inability to factor in the large farmers who are renting acreage from families that no longer work the farm. For example, the last 15 years of my uncle's life, he could no longer work the farm and, instead, rented the acres out to another farmer.
 

This statistic is skewed by the inability to factor in the large farmers who are renting acreage from families that no longer work the farm. For example, the last 15 years of my uncle's life, he could no longer work the farm and, instead, rented the acres out to another farmer.
He's still a individual farmer who owns land that is being farmed by another individual farmer. You are not helping your argument, at all.
 

This statistic is skewed by the inability to factor in the large farmers who are renting acreage from families that no longer work the farm. For example, the last 15 years of my uncle's life, he could no longer work the farm and, instead, rented the acres out to another farmer.
Doesn't factor farmers who make their wife a farmer for purposes of doubling the already generous farm subsidies to circumvent the AGI limits ($900,000 per producer!).
 
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Yeah, but that is how much of small business works. You make an okay living, but cash out on the sale of the business/land when you are done.
Excellent point! Using FinnGopher's own $10,000/acre price times the average farm size of 388 acres equals $3,880,000. A lot of people that got to this country AFTER all the cheap farm land had been scooped up would not feel much sympathy for the poor farmer. And I'm not bashing farmers, I love farmers! As one of my friends that inherited farm land often says, "First world problems."
 
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Excellent point! Using FinnGopher's own $10,000/acre price times the average farm size of 388 acres equals $3,880,000. A lot of people that got to this country AFTER all the cheap farm land had been scooped up would not feel much sympathy for the poor farmer. And I'm not bashing farmers, I love farmers! As one of my friends that inherited farm land often says, "First world problems."
And most of those farmers still owe large $ that they borrowed to buy the land, equipment, seed, livestock, etc.
 

My uncle said he was a “small” farmer. The lovable underdog. What farming is suppose to be about, right?

Spent a few decades working really hard, made smart decisions, and had a little luck. So he expanded and bought more land. Now he is a “big” farmer and everything wrong with the agricultural economy.

Odd how that works out.
 

My uncle said he was a “small” farmer. The lovable underdog. What farming is suppose to be about, right?

Spent a few decades working really hard, made smart decisions, and had a little luck. So he expanded and bought more land. Now he is a “big” farmer and everything wrong with the agricultural economy.

Odd how that works out.
I think the mythos of farming and how it really plays out IRL ... not even close.
 

And most of those farmers still owe large $ that they borrowed to buy the land, equipment, seed, livestock, etc.
Very good point. Extremely complex business. You don't luck into running a successful farm. Don't get me wrong on my "first world problems" point. We all have those problems because, well, we live here!
 

I saw U2 in both banks. There was NO COMPARISON in sound quality. at (then) TCF Bank Stadium, it was fantastic. All in all perhaps the best concert I have ever been to (especially considering U2 is not my all time favorite band). We were sitting a long ways away and the sound was perfect - even during a rain storm.

We enjoyed it so much we jumped at the chance when U2 returned a few years later to play at U.S. Bank Stadium. It absolutely sucked. My wife always loved the warm up act (Beck) and the sound was so bad his set was half over before she even realized it was Beck.

I am told that U.S. Bank stadium seats that are lower and/or on the floor are better. But I can confirm anything higher on the sides in the Vikings stadium absolutely suck. It sucks so bad I have made a point of not returning there for a concert. I wouldn't think twice about a concert at the Gopher's stadium.
 

Also, this thread is about the Bank as a venue for Farm Aid. The farming debates are getting a little thick in here. Let's let out some steam on this and talk about something else. How about the new State flag?
 

Also, this thread is about the Bank as a venue for Farm Aid. The farming debates are getting a little thick in here. Let's let out some steam on this and talk about something else. How about the new State flag?
Does it really matter what the venue is? My daughter came back from seeing Coldplay at Camp Randall, calling it the biggest dump she has ever been to. There is no way the Bank will be worse than that rickety old pile of crap.
With no roof, a person could just camp out in the area and enjoy the concert. The sound will be better than US Bank with the music bouncing off the walls and ceiling. Downside is the possibility of lightning and rain at Huntington.
 




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