Sid Hartman: Budget not helping Gophers win games

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Adding in for UpNorthGo4 - the following is from Sid's column:

One thing that does not help the University of Minnesota is that its football budget is last in the Big Ten.

According to ncaafootball.fanhouse.com, Ohio State is the Big Ten leader with a budget of $32.3 million. Iowa is second at $26.90 million, followed by Wisconsin ($22.71), Penn State ($19.13), Michigan ($18.03) Michigan State ($15.86), Northwestern ($15.71), Purdue ($12.66), Indiana ($11.84), Illinois ($10.49) and then the Gophers at $9.25 million.

And it's no coincidence the lowest-spending teams in the conference are typically the second-division teams, while the big spenders generally finish at or near the top.

And one of the reasons the Gophers have won just one game against Ohio State since 1981 is that the Buckeyes football budget is 3 1/2 times that of Minnesota.

There has to be some reason why Minnesota hasn't won a Big Ten title for 43 years. Coach Tim Brewster, and Glen Mason before him, both complained about the budget. So did Lou Holtz, but he found a way to get more money and it paid off. In fact just last week Brewster said it would be easier to build a winning program if the budget was competitive with schools such as Iowa and Wisconsin.

However the big problem at Minnesota is that with the large gate receipts that Iowa and Wisconsin have allow the two schools to have the money to spend on football while the Gophers year in and year out have been near the bottom in football attendance and revenue.

But the lack of a big budget shouldn't be a reason why Minnesota can't beat a North Dakota State or South Dakota. Even Brewster will admit that.

And the Gophers will have a bigger task awaiting them Saturday when they take on Southern Cal, which is ranked 18th in the country.

U at disadvantage

Gophers athletic director Joel Maturi, while questioning the overall figures published by the website, did admit the $9.25 million figure was close to what the Gophers spend on football.

Maturi admits that the schools that spend more can have an advantage.

"There's no doubt it's a disadvantage to our football program," Maturi said. "I don't argue that at all. They have more income, they can do more things. We sponsor more sports (25) than Iowa. We sponsor more sports than Wisconsin. Some people are going to say we shouldn't, we can't afford it because it hurts our football program because the pie is only so big to spread around to so many pieces. I don't think there's any doubt about it.

"If I paid this staff more, is this staff better? That would be an argument. Coach Brewster would love to have another strength coach, he'd love to have some other assistants in the recruiting line and things of this nature, and I understand that. I hope someday I'm going to be able to help him out but right now I can't afford it.

"We don't spend as much as Wisconsin or Iowa. I'm not going to argue that. They do spend more than we do. But you have to figure out what you count and determine what you spend: Are they counting debt services on their facilities? Are they counting game-day management? Are they counting these things? We don't count those in our numbers, for example. So you have to make sure that it's apple versus apples. [But] they do spend more money than we, there's no question."

Maturi said the Gophers spend about $7.5 million on football but that does not count scholarships.

"I think I can get you the grant in aid too, football we spend about $2 million there, so there's about $9.5-plus million just on the operating expenses and the scholarships.''

Maturi said the cost of the football scholarships at Iowa and Wisconsin are about the same as that at Minnesota.

"Their salaries may be greater," Maturi said. "I'm not going to argue that. In fact, I know it's greater. [Iowa coach Kirk] Ferentz is making a whole lot more money than coach Brewster is, so it's a couple million right there just on his salary, let alone his assistants.

As an example of schools such as Ohio State spending more on football than the Gophers do, Maturi said OSU has four strength trainers while the Gophers have just two.

The disappointing thing is that there was only $1.5 million more in football revenue in the first year at TCF Stadium compared to the last year at the Metrodome, a figure that disappoints school officials.

So the only way to increase football spending is to cut the budgets of other sports or eliminate them.

That not going to happen under Maturi. But it may under his successor. I don't believe there is an athletic director in the country who treats the non-revenue sports as well as Maturi does.



http://www.startribune.com/sports/1...EyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUgOy9cP3DieyckcUsI

Go Gophers!!
 

same old song and dance. Its old and tired. Its also a excuse for really poor management and misguided priorities. Spending on athletics is a business decision the University can't seem to make.
I remember going to a social deal before an Ohio state game on the road when the then athletic director Tom Moe went on about how Minnesota needs to get on the bad wagon of spending money to better the athletic program and how Ohio State was spending tens of millions to get new facilities to compete. Still a pipe dream.
 

How is our budget so low? We have a brand new stadium and they are getting to keep all the parking and concession money
 

Damn shame, cut the freakin Gopher chess club and put that money into the next Reggie Bush;)
 

How is our budget so low? We have a brand new stadium and they are getting to keep all the parking and concession money

Because almost every other Big 10 university cares more about their football team than Minnesotan's do. It should not come as a surprise to anyone in GopherHole that their is a direct relationship between how much support that students, alumni, administrators, and fans give their college football team and how many games it wins. And the support that leads to football victories is not necessarily based on money. Anyway you want to judge it the support for the Gophers football team is beyond pathetic.
 




First thing is that we need to make sure we are comparing apples to apples here if some teams are including scholarships, debt service, etc the numbers don't mean much. That said lets assume we are comparing apples to apples.

To expect the Gophers, much less MSU, NW, Purdue, IU, ILL to be compete at the highest levels of the B10 regularly when they are being outspent anywhere from 2-1 to 3.5-1 is crazy. It really highlights the have and have not's in college football. Now I wish there is something something the NCAA/B10 could do about it. If OSU wants to spend every penny on football they should be able to, if they want to cut their budget to $1 dollar they should be able to. Also there is a strong feedback loop in this also. Spend more money --> win more, win more--> have more money to spend. Now if you can make the first investment and make it pay off(TCFBS) or the next big investment(new coach) getting into a strong feedback loop could be easy.

I'm more or less thinking out loud here but now that the Stadium is build and there is no super major construction project on the way, I know there is a baseball stadium and basketball practice facility on the way too, but that could mean taking the money that would have been raised for TCF and know that money can go to fund operating budgets, or endow scholarships, or new weight room equipment. So while I'm not saying Minnesota is going to spend 35 million next year on football, I'm saying a small but significant bump is possible in the coming years.

2 last thoughts.

1. Gopher's fans are either going to have to put up some more money to improve the football team or simply live with average.
2. When a school spend $30 million on football, is the school there to provide high quality higher education or for football to be played(I'm looking at the SEC mostly)?
 

That not going to happen under Maturi. But it may under his successor. I don't believe there is an athletic director in the country who treats the non-revenue sports as well as Maturi does.http://www.startribune.com/sports/1...EyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUgOy9cP3DieyckcUsI

Go Gophers!!

Bleed, when are you going to start to understand how things work at the U. The level of ignorance in GopherHole about these matters just astonishes me. Maturi has zero control over how much support is given to non-revenue sports. Those decisions are made way above him and influential U of M alumni have a huge impact on those decisions. Maturi does not make policy at the U. His job is to carry it out. The people who make the important decisions about intercollegiate athletics at the U do not care near enough about the Gopher football team. They tend to be liberals who are just not very interested in athletics. You are more likely to see them at theaters and art museums rather than football games. THAT is the problem that Gopher fans have been dealing with all of these years.
 



Bleed, when are you going to start to understand how things work at the U. The level of ignorance in GopherHole about these matters just astonishes me. Maturi has zero control over how much support is given to non-revenue sports. Those decisions are made way above him and influential U of M alumni have a huge impact on those decisions. Maturi does not make policy at the U. His job is to carry it out. The people who make the important decisions about intercollegiate athletics at the U do not care near enough about the Gopher football team. They tend to be liberals who are just not very interested in athletics. You are more likely to see them at theaters and art museums rather than football games. THAT is the problem that Gopher fans have been dealing with all of these years.

If the athletic department could improve their marketing and fundraising efforts then they wouldn't have to relay on state/university general funds to support itself. There is room for improvement there.
 

Bleed, when are you going to start to understand how things work at the U. The level of ignorance in GopherHole about these matters just astonishes me. Maturi has zero control over how much support is given to non-revenue sports. Those decisions are made way above him and influential U of M alumni have a huge impact on those decisions. Maturi does not make policy at the U. His job is to carry it out. The people who make the important decisions about intercollegiate athletics at the U do not care near enough about the Gopher football team. They tend to be liberals who are just not very interested in athletics. You are more likely to see them at theaters and art museums rather than football games. THAT is the problem that Gopher fans have been dealing with all of these years.

UpNorthGo4, when are you going to understand how my posts work at GopherHole? The level of ignorance in your reply about this just astonishes me as I copy and pasted Sid's column. Did you think the content of my post was original text and not Sid's? THAT is the problem with your post.

Go Gophers!!
 

This is not a matter of finances. This is incompetent coaching. No excuses. The football program is in shambles. Leaving the present regime in place will only prolong the agony.
 

This is not a matter of finances. This is incompetent coaching. No excuses. The football program is in shambles. Leaving the present regime in place will only prolong the agony.

Do you not think that more money in the program could lead to more competent coaching? One of the reasons we got Brewster is because we could get him cheap.
 



I'm constantly bewildered at the administration's love for non-revenue sports. Reading those talking points Maturi was spewing out made me never want to stop vomiting. Quit whining. Spending=success. If you want an average football team, just admit it. Don't act like we're supposed to expect to be a top tier team with a bottom tier budget. And don't act like it's completely ridiculous to compare us to Wisconsin and Iowa. He sounds like some politician trying to put his own spin on bad poll numbers. "Questioning the figures?" really Maturi? How about just admitting you have your priorities in total program success rather than revenue-program success. As a student, I really couldn't care less about the tremendous success of our rowing team. I want to see us win in football, basketball, and hockey. Everything else can fall by the wayside as far as I'm concerned. I really hope whomever the U's next president is puts a greater focus on football success than Bobby B does.

Also, someone brought this up earlier, and I'd love to know the answer--Given our direct control over the parking lots, concessions, and tailgating revenues, HOW ARE WE ONLY MAKING 1.5 MILLION MORE THAN THE DOME!? I do not understand that figure at ALL. MN Daily should hop on that and figure out wtf is going on.
 

I would love to see some more money go into football, basketball and hockey. But not at the expense of the baseball team. All the other Gopher sports could fall off the wayside and I wouldn't miss them.
 

I'd trade our baseball team for the kind of year in/year out success Wisconsin has in football/bball/hockey any day.

Edit: that being said, eff wisconsin.
 

I'm constantly bewildered at the administration's love for non-revenue sports. Reading those talking points Maturi was spewing out made me never want to stop vomiting. Quit whining. Spending=success. If you want an average football team, just admit it. Don't act like we're supposed to expect to be a top tier team with a bottom tier budget. And don't act like it's completely ridiculous to compare us to Wisconsin and Iowa. He sounds like some politician trying to put his own spin on bad poll numbers. "Questioning the figures?" really Maturi? How about just admitting you have your priorities in total program success rather than revenue-program success. As a student, I really couldn't care less about the tremendous success of our rowing team. I want to see us win in football, basketball, and hockey. Everything else can fall by the wayside as far as I'm concerned. I really hope whomever the U's next president is puts a greater focus on football success than Bobby B does.

Also, someone brought this up earlier, and I'd love to know the answer--Given our direct control over the parking lots, concessions, and tailgating revenues, HOW ARE WE ONLY MAKING 1.5 MILLION MORE THAN THE DOME!? I do not understand that figure at ALL. MN Daily should hop on that and figure out wtf is going on.

Amen. I really don't give a crap about soccer or men's gymnastics. Wrestling can stay, as can baseball, but come on.

Also, that disappointing revenue figure has a ton to do with dumbasses not letting us sell alcohol. Even if it were only in the suites, it'd be a huge benefit for us.
 

I'd trade our baseball team for the kind of year in/year out success Wisconsin has in football/bball/hockey any day.

Edit: that being said, eff wisconsin.

I think it'd cost more than just our baseball team, though.

I don't wanna lose our baseball team because of the it's history and honestly.. I happen to like baseball as well. We can get rid of every other sport.. Including wrestling.
 

Agreed re: booze. Absolutely absurd we're mortgaging our football future and pissing away all the attendance figures that come with a brand new stadium and the revenue that comes with selling booze.

Amen. I really don't give a crap about soccer or men's gymnastics. Wrestling can stay, as can baseball, but come on.

Also, that disappointing revenue figure has a ton to do with dumbasses not letting us sell alcohol. Even if it were only in the suites, it'd be a huge benefit for us.
 

Next time you take potshots at Wisconsin for not having a baseball team consider Sid's notes and Maturi's comments.

The baseball team was cut along with men's and women's gymnastics and men's and women's fencing. They also capped the crew team totals at the same time. This all happened in '91. It was part of an effort to get the budget under control and comply with title 9.

What's more important to you? A good football team or "<insert sponsor here> Director's Cup" points.
 

Uhh.. You guys DO realize there isn't another Big Ten school that sells booze at it's games, right? Alcohol being/not being sold at the Bank isn't the issue.
 

Who cares? $$$$$$$$$$$$$ is the ONLY thing.
 

Uhh.. You guys DO realize there isn't another Big Ten school that sells booze at it's games, right? Alcohol being/not being sold at the Bank isn't the issue.

We're not comparing us to other schools. The relevant comparison is our revenue with booze vs the smaller revenue without. Fairly certain most B10 schools DO sell in the suites.
 

We're not comparing us to other schools. The relevant comparison is our revenue with booze vs the smaller revenue without. Fairly certain most B10 schools DO sell in the suites.

But selling in the suites is another moot point.. Because the state doesn't allow that (I agree is stupid, but it is what it is).

The U needs to do something about the budget in a way they can control.. Not piss and moan about not being able to sell booze (in suites or throughout the stadium).
 

Also, someone brought this up earlier, and I'd love to know the answer--Given our direct control over the parking lots, concessions, and tailgating revenues, HOW ARE WE ONLY MAKING 1.5 MILLION MORE THAN THE DOME!? I do not understand that figure at ALL. MN Daily should hop on that and figure out wtf is going on.

it costs a lot of money to operate a stadium. Money that didn't have to be spent at the dome. Also, the University takes all the parking money.
 

I've got a brain storm commin' on.

What if we looked at our competitions product, say the Wiconsin badgers, Iowa Hawkeyes, etc and looked at what they did that had a direct impact on on-field results. And what if we did a little research into how much money that would cost us to do the same things. And what if we figured out what the benefits of doing that would be. And then we spent the money to create that system so we could have those results too? What if we did that?

We could call of spending the money up front to create a future return something like Bob, or gecklukestrom, or maybe something easier to say like investment. And then we could look at the greater fund raising we could do and income we recieve as something like Steve, or slumpinberken, or maybe Return on Investment.

And then we could call this whole process of analyzing the business to make these geckluckestroms to get slumpinberken something like Chad, or deestemsteeger, or I suppose we could call it business analysis.

I wish we could do something like that. It's too bad the UofM doesn't have some experts in things like business to tap into. Just trying to think outside of the box.
 

D1 ahtletics is not a right it is a priviledge....ex high school kids do not have to have a soccer team to play d1 at.

2nd point...are those $ numbers from last year at TCF or not? Looks like metrodome #s.

GM
 

For everyone bringing up parking revenue...Others have noted several times in various threads that the athletic dept doesn't get the money from parking. Parking and Transportation Services does. That's part of the reason for the focus on donation lots...the dept gets the donation money. But the actual money earned for the parking passes or per game parking goes to PTS.

That's one simple change the U could make if it were serious about raising revenue. By my very rough estimation using the per season pass costs for each zone and the approximate number of passes required to "sell out" the lots/ramps used I'd say the U is handing over 700K to 900K to PTS each season (that total is gross profit and wouldn't include per game/season costs of running the lots).
 

D1 ahtletics is not a right it is a priviledge....ex high school kids do not have to have a soccer team to play d1 at.

2nd point...are those $ numbers from last year at TCF or not? Looks like metrodome #s.

GM

The new numbers show the U increasing revenue about $1.5 Million with TCF. Not a huge amount. Until the U decides to spend on football, they will not win. Iowa has better facilities, hands down. More staff, better living facilities for student athletes, better for recruiting, that's for sure. They have a base of alumni that contribute every year. How can people in here say it doesn't matter, when the amount spent correlates to the success on the field? Please explain yourselves.
 





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