North Carolina receives new Notice of Allegations

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"UNC again has 90 days to respond -- which is often the point when schools self-impose penalties if they choose to do so -- then the enforcement staff would have 60 days to respond to UNC's filing. That would ultimately lead to a hearing with the infractions committee and a ruling that could come weeks to months afterward."

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...ar-heels-get-new-notice-allegations-ncaa-case

So in theory UNC's meeting with the infractions committee would be around September, but the final ruling could come months later? Curious what UNC will do in terms of self-imposition of penalties, and whether the NCAA thinks those (if any) will be enough.
 

It's amazing how long this process is taking.

Drop the hammer Maturi!

Go Gophers!!
 

BleedGopher said:
It's amazing how long this process is taking.

Drop the hammer Maturi!

Go Gophers!!
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It's "Trevor" school of justice. Let's take as long as long as we can to render a final decision, giving pundits and message board conspiracy theorists amply opportunity to speculate there is a less than 2% chance UNC will get any significant penalties.
 

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So essentially UNC is going to be able to obfuscate penalties by stating since these sham classes were not limited to athletes, and these classes were extended generally to the student population, that penalties cannot be applied to athletics department / teams ? Apparently as a society we've forgotten how to combat circular logic... Anyone taking a sober look at these events would infer and conclude correctly that these classes were created for the sole purpose of propping up athletics, and the argument that these classes were if-so-facto extended to non-athletes as a means of diluting responsibility would be completely moot. Punishment is only for the non-powerful - the powerful cannot / will not tolerate it.
 

Tar Heel women's hoops will be the fall guys (gals)?

I'm not a lawyer, far from it, but reading between the lines sounds to me like the Carolina women's basketball team will receive the brunt of the NCAA hammer? That would teach 'em!

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Holf said:
So essentially UNC is going to be able to obfuscate penalties by stating since these sham classes were not limited to athletes, and these classes were extended generally to the student population, that penalties cannot be applied to athletics department / teams ? Apparently as a society we've forgotten how to combat circular logic... Anyone taking a sober look at these events would infer and conclude correctly that these classes were created for the sole purpose of propping up athletics, and the argument that these classes were if
So if gangelhoff had been writing our papers in the 90's the basketball team could've kept their banners?
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SelectionSunday said:
"UNC again has 90 days to respond -- which is often the point when schools self-impose penalties if they choose to do so -- then the enforcement staff would have 60 days to respond to UNC's filing. That would ultimately lead to a hearing with the infractions committee and a ruling that could come weeks to months afterward."

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...ar-heels-get-new-notice-allegations-ncaa-case

So in theory UNC's meeting with the infractions committee would be around September, but the final ruling could come months later? Curious what UNC will do in terms of self-imposition of penalties, and whether the NCAA thinks those (if any) will be enough.
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Still waiting, SS.

No mention of FB and BB? :clap:

DPdoll, AK The Dolly said April should be the month for a decision, based on previous cases. Hmmm......
 



Yep BB, I think a lot of people are waiting to hear how this one turns out.
 

Jon Solomon from CBS Sports weighs in:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...all-football-could-avoid-punishment-from-ncaa

He doesn't say it, but one wonders if the football and men's basketball programs are left untouched while the women's basketball team takes the brunt of the sanctions, is that the tipping point and eventual death knell for the NCAA as an organization? It's legitimacy is continually under deserved scrutiny and this seems to be the most egregious of their misdeeds (if it comes to pass as predicted at this point). With the report of the independent investigator Wainstein looming overhead, the sham seems to be laid bare; found it particularly interesting that the start date of the alleged misdeeds was pushed back to avoid any crossover with UNC's national title from April 2005. Quite convenient it seems, and naked.
 

Yep Coolhand, one thing that seems abundantly clear so far is that the Tar Heels 2005 NCAA title will stand. Definitely convenient that the start date was moved to fall of 2005 (after the title).
 

coolhandgopher said:
Jon Solomon from CBS Sports weighs in:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...all-football-could-avoid-punishment-from-ncaa

He doesn't say it, but one wonders if the football and men's basketball programs are left untouched while the women's basketball team takes the brunt of the sanctions, is that the tipping point and eventual death knell for the NCAA as an organization? It's legitimacy is continually under deserved scrutiny and this seems to be the most egregious of their misdeeds (if it comes to pass as predicted at this point). With the report of the independent investigator Wainstein looming overhead, the sham seems to be laid bare; found it particularly interesting that the start date of the alleged misdeeds was pushed back to avoid any crossover with UNC's national title from April 2005. Quite convenient it seems, and naked.
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I like this at the end:

Maybe the NCAA will somehow lump men's basketball and football into the penalties. But don't bet on it after today's notice.

The NCAA seems to have settled on Cleveland State.
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This will cause some people to stop caring about/watching college sports altogether if the NCAA doesn't handle it well. This is arguably the worst case of academic fraud in sports history, and it damn well better be punished thusly. The university should be worried about losing accreditation let alone a basketball title.
 

In situations like this one has to wonder what exactly unc has on the ncaa.
 


So you're telling me that there were no men's BB or FB players ever enrolled in the sham classes? Because if there were, they should get hammered. Could UNC stay in the conference or NCAA if the Higher Learning Commission took their accreditation away?
 

Dana O'Neil column

For my money Dana O'Neil and Mike DeCourcy far & away are the best college basketball writers in the business. Here's O'Neil's take.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ar-heels-latest-ncaa-news-tough-make-sense-of

A snippet:

"Men's basketball and football will be held accountable under the broader umbrellas of "lack of institutional control," but with the new notice, significant penalties become "less likely," another source said.

"That won't be the case for the women's basketball team, the program that ranks as either North Carolina's renegade sport or convenient scapegoat, depending on which side of Tobacco Road you sit. Thanks to Jan Boxill, then the women's team's academic advisor, the team is specifically alleged to have received extra benefits. That team will be subject to the full force of the NCAA rulebook and the new penalty structure. Boxill's attorney released a statement on Monday stating the alleged activity is "incorrect and based on email conversations that were taken out of context."
 

SelectionSunday said:
For my money Dana O'Neil and Mike DeCourcy far & away are the best college basketball writers in the business. Here's O'Neil's take.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ar-heels-latest-ncaa-news-tough-make-sense-of

A snippet:

"Men's basketball and football will be held accountable under the broader umbrellas of "lack of institutional control," but with the new notice, significant penalties become "less likely," another source said.

"That won't be the case for the women's basketball team, the program that ranks as either North Carolina's renegade sport or convenient scapegoat, depending on which side of Tobacco Road you sit. Thanks to Jan Boxill, then the women's team's academic advisor, the team is specifically alleged to have received extra benefits. That team will be subject to the full force of the NCAA rulebook and the new penalty structure. Boxill's attorney released a statement on Monday stating the alleged activity is "incorrect and based on email conversations that were taken out of context."
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So obviously don't hire an academic advisor by the name of "Jan." Saint Dean and Father Roy didn't and their reputations are still golden. Cheat'n Clem did and had to go to his farm in disgrace. You people on GH whining about equal treatment just don't understand the meaning of "fair."
 

SelectionSunday said:
For my money Dana O'Neil and Mike DeCourcy far & away are the best college basketball writers in the business. Here's O'Neil's take.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ar-heels-latest-ncaa-news-tough-make-sense-of

A snippet:

"Men's basketball and football will be held accountable under the broader umbrellas of "lack of institutional control," but with the new notice, significant penalties become "less likely," another source said.

"That won't be the case for the women's basketball team, the program that ranks as either North Carolina's renegade sport or convenient scapegoat, depending on which side of Tobacco Road you sit. Thanks to Jan Boxill, then the women's team's academic advisor, the team is specifically alleged to have received extra benefits. That team will be subject to the full force of the NCAA rulebook and the new penalty structure. Boxill's attorney released a statement on Monday stating the alleged activity is "incorrect and based on email conversations that were taken out of context."
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Aren't their title IX issues to having only a women's renegade program?
 


Winasota Gopher said:
Aren't their title IX issues to having only a women's renegade program?
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Interesting you mention Title IX.

I would imagine if the UNC women's basketball program ends up being the fall guy for the sins of the men's basketball program, football, and the entire university, we'll likely hear from several special interests groups. Certainly the National Organization of Women.
 

SelectionSunday said:
Interesting you mention Title IX.

I would imagine if the UNC women's basketball program ends up being the fall guy for the sins of the men's basketball program, football, and the entire university, we'll likely hear from several special interests groups. Certainly the National Organization of Women.
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My thoughts exactly. Advocacy groups will not take the scapegoating lying down. That will be interesting.
 

SelectionSunday said:
For my money Dana O'Neil and Mike DeCourcy far & away are the best college basketball writers in the business. Here's O'Neil's take.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ar-heels-latest-ncaa-news-tough-make-sense-of

A snippet:

"Men's basketball and football will be held accountable under the broader umbrellas of "lack of institutional control," but with the new notice, significant penalties become "less likely," another source said.

"That won't be the case for the women's basketball team, the program that ranks as either North Carolina's renegade sport or convenient scapegoat, depending on which side of Tobacco Road you sit. Thanks to Jan Boxill, then the women's team's academic advisor, the team is specifically alleged to have received extra benefits. That team will be subject to the full force of the NCAA rulebook and the new penalty structure. Boxill's attorney released a statement on Monday stating the alleged activity is "incorrect and based on email conversations that were taken out of context."
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Nice opinion piece by Dana (who I think is far and away the best in the business). If this goes down as she believes, with no penalties to basketball, there needs to be an insurrection among the member institutions. UNC played with ineligible players, period. Games played with ineligible players should be vacated. Period. Every message board member in the country should fill the NCAA's boxes for a long time.
 

Winasota Gopher said:
Aren't their title IX issues to having only a women's renegade program?
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I was told by someone with better knowledge that as a non profit and not a public university the NCAA doesn't have to follow Title IX
 

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article76362827.html

Jan Boxill begs to differ:

Jan Boxill is reeling.

The former UNC-Chapel Hill faculty leader and counselor for women’s basketball is at the center of NCAA allegations against the university in the academic and athletic scandal that has dragged on for years.

Two weeks ago, the NCAA issued its latest allegations, which point with laser focus at Boxill, accusing her of giving “impermissible academic assistance and special arrangements” to women’s basketball players in 18 instances.

Gone from the amended document are last year’s specific references to football and men’s basketball, though the NCAA alleged an overall loss of institutional control at the university. Women’s basketball is clearly in the crosshairs as the process grinds toward a hearing and possible sanctions.

Boxill, 77, who was forced to retire last year, has kept quiet since she was first accused of wrongdoing in the 2014 report on the scandal by Kenneth Wainstein, a former federal prosecutor hired by UNC. But she agreed to speak with The News & Observer after she had read the latest allegations against her in the NCAA report.

“I was stunned and devastated, to put it mildly,” she said. “I thought, ‘Are you kidding me?’ ”
 

Guess CC was right...everyone needs a fall guy or in this case fall gal.
 

the scary thing is that someone thought no one would put this together and call them out.

The scarier thing is that that someone might be right and anyone who calls them out will lack any impact.
 

per Pat:NCAA's hypocrisy becomes ever clearer in UNC investigation

The hypocrisy that is the NCAA’s investigative system never has been clearer than in the final allegations sent to North Carolina for its long-standing and systematic academic fraud.

The NCAA’s initial findings mysteriously put the focus on women’s basketball rather than on men’s basketball and football.

This was the case even though an investigation commissioned by the university said North Carolina’s fraud was certain to have gone back as far as 1993, with these statistics:

Among athletes taking the paper classes that required no work, 51 percent were football players, 12 percent men’s basketball and 6 percent women’s basketball.

The original NCAA charges against North Carolina went back to 2002. The amended allegations changed the starting point to fall of 2005.

Now, there’s a coincidence, since North Carolina won the NCAA title in men’s basketball in the spring of 2005.

The NCAA has vacated several Final Four appearances, including the Gophers in 1997, but never a title.

Our old pal Rashad McCants, the No. 2 scorer on the 2005 title team, went public with this: He took paper classes, and coach Roy Williams was aware he was doing so. A McCants transcript backed up the first part of his claim. And yet the NCAA failed to include his accusation or transcript in its allegations.

Minnesota received four years’ worth of probation when it was revealed in 1999 that office manager Jan Gangelhoff was responsible for 400 papers submitted by 18 basketball players. The Gophers also had six seasons wiped out of the records from the fall of 1993 to the spring of 1999.

North Carolina had two decades of orchestrated academic fraud, yet NCAA investigators turn into contortionists to avoid taking away the Heels’ glory in men’s basketball.

Mary Willingham, a whistleblower in the North Carolina case, said: “The NCAA is just protecting the revenue-producing sports. Follow the money.’’

From here, it’s even more a case of the NCAA not wanting to take back the ill-gotten championship trophy awarded to McCants and Co.

http://www.startribune.com/ncaa-s-hypocrisy-becomes-ever-clearer-in-unc-investigation/378531195/

Go Gophers!!
 

BleedGopher said:
Our old pal Rashad McCants, the No. 2 scorer on the 2005 title team, went public with this: He took paper classes, and coach Roy Williams was aware he was doing so. A McCants transcript backed up the first part of his claim. And yet the NCAA failed to include his accusation or transcript in its allegations.
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Not to mention our other old pal, Rashanda McCants, (Rashad's sister and, briefly, a Lynx player) who filed a class action law suit last year accusing North Carolina (and the NCAA) of academic negligence, etc. Her attorney was Michael Hausfeld (who was the lead in the ongoing Ed O'Bannon case).
 

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