Jarvis Johnson will not be medically cleared to play

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cncmin said:
When we do something that involves higher risk, we sign a waiver that says that we understand the risks, and whatever happens is not the responsibility of others. It shouldn't have to be more than that, but our over-reaching system of lawyers desires otherwise.
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He's representing the University as an athlete. Riding a motorcycle isn't quite the same thing, and the headlines and second guessing wouldn't be the same. This could have been handled a lot better, but the usual suspects blaming it solely on the U, having a fit about a situation where we don't know everything and offering solutions need to relax. More than a few athletes have died from this condition; pretty sure the U has some of the best cardiologists around; the kid is getting a college education at a fine school if he wants it.
 

Lots of people bring up the angle that if the U doesn't want to be sued, then JJ should just have to sign a waiver. But, to me, even that waiver doesn't protect the U from the major reputation damage that could be done if the worst-case scenario were to unfold. Fair or not, the U and its athletics department would be destroyed in the media and in terms of public opinion if a U student-athlete died or suffered a serious health incident stemming from a condition the Gopher staff knew about.

It might seem ultra-conservative from the university standpoint, but I'm sure this thought has crossed the minds of the decision-makers in this case. And if the U doctors see any significant chance of something happening to JJ on the court because of his condition, I doubt they would risk their reputation and public image, even if the legal side of things was taken care of.
 

Ironman247 said:
Lots of people bring up the angle that if the U doesn't want to be sued, then JJ should just have to sign a waiver. But, to me, even that waiver doesn't protect the U from the major reputation damage that could be done if the worst-case scenario were to unfold. Fair or not, the U and its athletics department would be destroyed in the media and in terms of public opinion if a U student-athlete died or suffered a serious health incident stemming from a condition the Gopher staff knew about.

It might seem ultra-conservative from the university standpoint, but I'm sure this thought has crossed the minds of the decision-makers in this case. And if the U doctors see any significant chance of something happening to JJ on the court because of his condition, I doubt they would risk their reputation and public image, even if the legal side of things was taken care of.
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Nor would a waiver necessarily protect the University from legal liability. But the more important issue is what is in the best interest of Jarvis.
 

vagopher said:
Nor would a waiver necessarily protect the University from legal liability. But the more important issue is what is in the best interest of Jarvis.
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Absolutely. I didn't mean to sound like the U was the only important element here. JJ's health is more important than the basketball team, for sure. I just wanted to point out that the U would be risking more than money or lawsuits if it were to let him play despite a major health risk.
 

Not just the U, but wouldn't opponents for road games have some risk exposure as well?
 


The helmetless motorcycle analogy sucks. The U wouldn't let him do that either.

Jarvis absolutely can play basketball, in fact he did last weekend. His choice. He, at he moment, can't do it for the university of Minnesota.
 

It is premature to say this is being poorly handled by the U, but it surely has been poorly covered by the Strib. How the U is handling this is really none of our damn business at this point. We are so used to sitting back and judging everything, down to the most intimate details, that its become an absolute reflex. We HAVE to assume at this point that we do not have all the facts. Including fully understanding the risks some seem to hope he will be allowed to take. The physical demand continues to rise at each level, and over-exertion will damage the heart.

Would everyone be happy if Jarvis played basketball for us, did great, played a few years of pro ball and then died at age 27 from complications of his heart condition? Is this the risk we hope he takes? Take a read about this footballer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Cole
 

Jigga said:
Clear answers and accountablility doesn't come often with this ball program lately.

-I don't remember anyone officially address about the Mcneil situation or his status. (Norwood did say the U has '0 tolerance' for violence)

-Still don't know why Lofton got sent packing and never got a clear answer about his future. (except he's a good kid, it's a long shot, didn't wanna leave him out to dry)

- nawanko was released for some uncertain 'clearing house' reasons, but he seemed surprised/dissapointed by the news. (seems to be eligible at VCU, which a head-scratcher)

-Jarvis is informed a couple weeks before school that he won't be cleared to play. (that info seems long overdue)

Just seems like a lot of mysterious stuff. Hopefully these experience's make us better at handling whats thrown at us.
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I had the same thought last night. I'm guessing Coach McHale was given an honorable way out because Coach P. was advised he needed a strong and experienced right hand man. A greybeard if you will. Something as small as Carlos Morris reporting to Dinkytown at 160 lbs., then announcing he would be bulking up to 185 lbs. by the start of the season. Who was responsible for making sure he reported to campus ready to play? Coach P. is experiencing some fairly severe growing pains in the best conference in America.
 

howieramone said:
I had the same thought last night. I'm guessing Coach McHale was given an honorable way out because Coach P. was advised he needed a strong and experienced right hand man. A greybeard if you will. Something as small as Carlos Morris reporting to Dinkytown at 160 lbs., then announcing he would be bulking up to 185 lbs. by the start of the season. Who was responsible for making sure he reported to campus ready to play? Coach P. is experiencing some fairly severe growing pains in the best conference in America.
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WTF are you talking about? McHale is now the head coach of a D1 program. That is a step up. Not to mention, he was replaced by the former Director of Operations who is hardly a "strong and experienced right hand man."
 



howieramone said:
I had the same thought last night. I'm guessing Coach McHale was given an honorable way out because Coach P. was advised he needed a strong and experienced right hand man. A greybeard if you will.
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Absolutely none of this makes any sense.

McHale took a head coaching job and we promoted our DOBO.
 


Ironman247 said:
Lots of people bring up the angle that if the U doesn't want to be sued, then JJ should just have to sign a waiver. But, to me, even that waiver doesn't protect the U from the major reputation damage that could be done if the worst-case scenario were to unfold. Fair or not, the U and its athletics department would be destroyed in the media and in terms of public opinion if a U student-athlete died or suffered a serious health incident stemming from a condition the Gopher staff knew about.

It might seem ultra-conservative from the university standpoint, but I'm sure this thought has crossed the minds of the decision-makers in this case. And if the U doctors see any significant chance of something happening to JJ on the court because of his condition, I doubt they would risk their reputation and public image, even if the legal side of things was taken care of.
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If the U feels that way, that's fine. But then they never should have recruited him to play basketball in the first place. It certainly seems like one hand didn't know what the other hand was going to do, at a minimum.
 

howieramone said:
I had the same thought last night. I'm guessing Coach McHale was given an honorable way out because Coach P. was advised he needed a strong and experienced right hand man. A greybeard if you will. Something as small as Carlos Morris reporting to Dinkytown at 160 lbs., then announcing he would be bulking up to 185 lbs. by the start of the season. Who was responsible for making sure he reported to campus ready to play? Coach P. is experiencing some fairly severe growing pains in the best conference in America.
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LMAO... One of your better posts.

Couldn't resist the Carlos Morris jab could you? I thought maybe someone else was controlling your account for a while Howie Wowie....
 



Mulligan said:
He's representing the University as an athlete. Riding a motorcycle isn't quite the same thing, and the headlines and second guessing wouldn't be the same. This could have been handled a lot better, but the usual suspects blaming it solely on the U, having a fit about a situation where we don't know everything and offering solutions need to relax. More than a few athletes have died from this condition; pretty sure the U has some of the best cardiologists around; the kid is getting a college education at a fine school if he wants it.
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I think it should be the athletes choice though, as long as he is educated on the issues and understands the risk he should be able to make his own decision, he's been playing with it for four years, based on the Children's physician statements nothing has really changed in the last year. Not sure I agree with the idea of the U or any other public entity deciding what you can and can't do with your life.
 


Gold Vision said:
Absolutely none of this makes any sense.

McHale took a head coaching job and we promoted our DOBO.
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As the losses mount, it will make more and more sense. Our young coach has proven to be over his head in the B1G thus far, and I believe Norwood is hedging his bet. The Pitino coaching tree has ties to Eastern Kentucky and I assume the money is more or less similar for McHale. I'm guessing Pomeday has ties to Norwood or Ellis.
 

howieramone said:
As the losses mount, it will make more and more sense. Our young coach has proven to be over his head in the B1G thus far, and I believe Norwood is hedging his bet. The Pitino coaching tree has ties to Eastern Kentucky and I assume the money is similar.
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So Mchale was demoted taking a head coaching job and Pomeday is our long in the tooth veteran replacement?

Nothing will prove that makes sense. Pitino may be out matched, but Mchale taking a better job had nothing to do with it.
 

Ironman247 said:
Lots of people bring up the angle that if the U doesn't want to be sued, then JJ should just have to sign a waiver. But, to me, even that waiver doesn't protect the U from the major reputation damage that could be done if the worst-case scenario were to unfold. Fair or not, the U and its athletics department would be destroyed in the media and in terms of public opinion if a U student-athlete died or suffered a serious health incident stemming from a condition the Gopher staff knew about.

It might seem ultra-conservative from the university standpoint, but I'm sure this thought has crossed the minds of the decision-makers in this case. And if the U doctors see any significant chance of something happening to JJ on the court because of his condition, I doubt they would risk their reputation and public image, even if the legal side of things was taken care of.
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Agreed.
 

howieramone said:
As the losses mount, it will make more and more sense. Our young coach has proven to be over his head in the B1G thus far, and I believe Norwood is hedging his bet. The Pitino coaching tree has ties to Eastern Kentucky and I assume the money is more or less similar for McHale. I'm guessing Pomeday has ties to Norwood or Ellis.
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What?!?

So Norwood is headed to Eastern Kentucky?
 


jovs said:
I think it should be the athletes choice though, as long as he is educated on the issues and understands the risk he should be able to make his own decision, he's been playing with it for four years, based on the Children's physician statements nothing has really changed in the last year. Not sure I agree with the idea of the U or any other public entity deciding what you can and can't do with your life.
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The U isn't telling him what he can and can't do with his life. He can play all the basketball that he wants, he can't do it for the University of Minnesota at this time. Seems pretty easy to understand
 



Go4 said:
same yahoo article posted numerous times in this thread, and all the article is is repackaging the strib article which was posted even more often in this thread.
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I knew I wasn't breaking news by posting.
Just reiterating that it sucks. the Andy Katz video sucked nationally as well.
 

Jigga said:
I knew I wasn't breaking news by posting.
Just reiterating that it sucks. the Andy Katz video sucked nationally as well.
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There was nothing wrong with the video. He reiterated that there is a long precedent of kids being turned down and exploring going elsewhere. You may note that he points out that most of those young men with this condition had to drop out of the sport at their new school as well.
 

Moonlight said:
There was nothing wrong with the video. He reiterated that there is a long precedent of kids being turned down and exploring going elsewhere. You may note that he points out that most of those young men with this condition had to drop out of the sport at their new school as well.
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I re-watched it earlier; your right it wasn't bad.
He also named a young man that did finish collegeant career succesfully, but he just didn't state that particular fact.

But it does prove that there definitley a risk involved with players that have these kinds of issue, the U probably should have assessed the risk in a more timely manner. Hopefully we learn from that, gotta treat athletic schollies like gold.
 


per the Crookston Times:

From the sound of things, Jackson has been shocked by the decision, and feels a bit misled in terms of the recruiting process. If he is unable to play for the Gophers, there is a good chance he will transfer somewhere he can play, which has to make one wonder if it really is the simple, not-wanting-to-be-liable reasoning behind the university’s decision. If the kid wants to play, he’s going to find a way to do so.

There’s really no good answer to this kind of a situation, it’s a very difficult decision for both the university, the player, and the player’s family. There’s of course the matter of liability, but also the matter of simply caring about a young man’s health. Does he really know what’s best for him? Even if he doesn’t, doesn’t he deserve the right to decide? Or is it his parents? What role does the man who recruited him, Richard Pitino, play in all of this?

http://www.crookstontimes.com/article/20150618/SPORTS/150619538/-1/news/?Start=1

Go Gophers!!
 

Time for JJ to hang it up

If JJ is smart, he is done playing competitive basketball. The NBA is not a realistic aspiration for him, whereas a useful 4-year degree is.

Not worth the risk.
 


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